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17 Dec 2010, 7:59 pm

Before people start claiming Hitler and Nazi Germany were far-right conservatives, consider this. Conservatives are for small government staying the heck out of people's lives. The Nazis were for the state controlling basically everything.

While some historians claim that Hitler was an example of the far-right, it doesn't look like the definition fits.

I have lately seen attempts to try to come up with anything they can to demonize the only Conservative Television Media Outlet, which got me wondering is this an attempt to destroy free speech.

I seriously, believe that we are heading for an attempt to turn this country into a dictatorship with the Democrat/Marxists at the helm, or an attempt to force the creation of a one-world government which is either way very bad.

People have to face the facts that Conservatives as we see in the United States are the antithesis of dictators considering they want weak government.



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17 Dec 2010, 8:03 pm

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Why all dictatorships Left Wing

Because you commit a No True Scotsman fallacy by defining all dictatorships as left wing, regardless of whether they are or not.

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Conservatives are for small government staying the heck out of people's lives.

You actually are naïve enough to believe that, aren't you? It would be almost cute if it weren't so sad.

If you want examples of right-wing dictatorship, then I present to you... the entire f*****g Middle East.


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17 Dec 2010, 8:09 pm

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Why all dictatorships Left Wing

Because you commit a No True Scotsman fallacy by defining all dictatorships as left wing, regardless of whether they are or not.


You have a point there, but Conservatism as we see it in the United States that values individual rights and wants Government to stay the hell out of people's lives there is a difference.

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Conservatives are for small government staying the heck out of people's lives.

You actually are naïve enough to believe that, aren't you? It would be almost cute if it weren't so sad.

If you want examples of right-wing dictatorship, then I present to you... the entire f***ing Middle East.


The Middle East consists of Monarchies, a Religious theocracy, and military dictatorships with the exception of Israel, Lebanon (which is falling apart), and maybe Turkey. While a monarchy has some similarity to a dictatorship, it goes back hundreds of years. From a standpoint of government controlling things though, that is a Liberal stance not a Conservative one.



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17 Dec 2010, 8:10 pm

i think the op needs saving before she grows up to become Anne Coulter.



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17 Dec 2010, 8:14 pm

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i think the op needs saving before she grows up to become Anne Coulter.


First of all I'm a guy, second of all I heard this argument on the radio while driving to work, and thought it would be a good topic.



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17 Dec 2010, 8:16 pm

Inuyasha

You are right on point.

If you haven't done so already, go read LIBERAL FASCISM by Jonah Goldberg http://j.mp/eV2hYZ



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17 Dec 2010, 8:16 pm

Have you ever considered getting your news from a source that doesn't make a ridiculous link between the modern democratic party and marxism? As an actual marxist i find this utterly ludicrous.



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17 Dec 2010, 8:17 pm

Inuyasha, you really have a massively incorrect notion of the difference between liberalism and conservatism. Conservatism (especially US conservatism) is not about "individual rights" or "keeping the government out of our lives." Or are you in favor of gay marriage all of a sudden? And you want the repeal of the PATRIOT Act and a strengthening of legal protections against search and seizure? I bet you want to legalize pot too. After all, that would be one way for the "Government to stay the hell out of people's lives."

And why am I not surprised that you got this thread from one of your radio talking heads? Which one was it? Limbaugh? It seems like something he would say.


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17 Dec 2010, 8:19 pm

As a person from a country that went through many US sponsored right wing dictatorships to "protect us from the leftists" I must say that you sir, are full of BS.

That said, maybe you are just a troll. I don't want to get trolled, but this one was too much even for a troll.

Please hand in your trolling license.


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17 Dec 2010, 8:19 pm

jamieboy wrote:
Have you ever considered getting your news from a source that doesn't make a ridiculous link between the modern democratic party and marxism? As an actual marxist i find this utterly ludicrous.

It's no use. I am every bit as opposed to Marxism as any right-winger, but they honestly can't tell the difference between me and you.


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17 Dec 2010, 8:22 pm

ja wrote:
Inuyasha

You are right on point.

If you haven't done so already, go read LIBERAL FASCISM by Jonah Goldberg http://j.mp/eV2hYZ


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism


Read these. You too OP.



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17 Dec 2010, 8:27 pm

Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha, you really have a massively incorrect notion of the difference between liberalism and conservatism. Conservatism (especially US conservatism) is not about "individual rights" or "keeping the government out of our lives." Or are you in favor of gay marriage all of a sudden? And you want the repeal of the PATRIOT Act and a strengthening of legal protections against search and seizure? I bet you want to legalize pot too. After all, that would be one way for the "Government to stay the hell out of people's lives."

And why am I not surprised that you got this thread from one of your radio talking heads? Which one was it? Limbaugh? It seems like something he would say.


Actually, it wasn't Rush before you start spewing anti Rush commentary. I think it was from a caller on a radio show either on AFA or the show that is before Rush.



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17 Dec 2010, 8:28 pm

Orwell wrote:
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Conservatives are for small government staying the heck out of people's lives.
You actually are naïve enough to believe that, aren't you? It would be almost cute if it weren't so sad.


Small government is not distinct from staying out of peoples lives. Institutions set in place by government are still interfering in our lives, controlling what we do. The fact that they are paid to do it as private contractors does not reduce the amount of interference.

What exactly IS the difference between a nanny state saying we all have to eat more fruit because we are too fat, and a government-hired and approved private health group telling us the same thing? Is there really a difference between IDS telling us that joblessness is a sin (as a cabinet member) versus Emma Harrison, CEO of Action 4 Employment, on government contract, telling us that the only way we can have a decent family is through work? Either way its Arbeit Macht Frei.


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17 Dec 2010, 8:29 pm

"Conservatives" by definition are for small government and hip stuff like that.

Just like "Communists" are by definition for the betterment of society by removing classes and making everybody equal.


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17 Dec 2010, 8:36 pm

@ Macbeth

Let's see a weak government actually force its views on the people... Seriously, if the people weren't for it, that government wouldn't get very far in the attempt.



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17 Dec 2010, 8:47 pm

the left right dichotomy is false.