Anyone else think the movie "Adam" sends the wrong

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KenM
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29 Dec 2010, 6:22 am

I saw "Adam" last month. I feel that because the women did not go with Him and reject Him in the end, it says the people with AS can not handle romantic relationships. This streotypes people with AS. I have been trying to have a romantic relationship all my life. I don't need someone that has seen that movie to freak out and run away when I tell them I have AS.

Anyone else feel the same?



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29 Dec 2010, 6:50 am

I can only say "Yes."

The words you wrote accurately reflect my own. Though much of the story was quite sloppy and characters had moments that were not "in character." I felt it lacked more than just a satisfying ending.



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29 Dec 2010, 7:01 am

I'm not commenting on the movie overall - good points and bad points - but I have to say... wouldn't it have been just as bad if the woman had gone with him because he "needed her"? Isn't that sending as bad a message or worse - that we don't have romantic relationships, we have "surrogate parents"?

Personally, I think the idea that she didn't go with him is fine; with the book at the end, they showed that she still cared about him (and, obviously, he about her). And because he was alone, not with some sort of support/guide/parent/thing, I think that the fact that he was developing real, functional relationships in his new job (with his friends, who invited him out; with the woman who was carrying the boxes) actually shows that he is more capable than he, or anyone else, thought.

I think that sends a much better message. And I got the idea that Adam could probably at some later point enter into a relationship with the box-carrying lady if he wanted; she seemed to like him, and he was learning to respond appropriately to that.



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29 Dec 2010, 7:04 am

I was disappointed with her decision and a little bemused as well. She seemed to think his social deficits could be overcome by his will alone. It seemed she understood who he was and then didn't. I also found it curious that he suddenly seemed to overcome a lot. It kind of implies that the problems associated with AS are just a matter of "growing up".



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29 Dec 2010, 7:13 am

I liked this film but I did think they made Adam out to be too awkward. I guess he must have had a sheltered life (Dad getting him a job etc). As for the woman not going with him I think what that highlighted was that relationships are selfish ventures for NT and Aspies. Everybody wants something out of a relationship. She wanted to be sure he loved her. But she missed his expressions of love. He could not say it convincingly but his actions in the movie said it for him. She was being very selfish. But that is allowed when it comes to affairs of the heart. I think the film said just as much about being NT as it did about being aspie.



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29 Dec 2010, 7:22 am

Robdemanc wrote:
I liked this film but I did think they made Adam out to be too awkward. I guess he must have had a sheltered life (Dad getting him a job etc). As for the woman not going with him I think what that highlighted was that relationships are selfish ventures for NT and Aspies. Everybody wants something out of a relationship. She wanted to be sure he loved her. But she missed his expressions of love. He could not say it convincingly but his actions in the movie said it for him. She was being very selfish. But that is allowed when it comes to affairs of the heart. I think the film said just as much about being NT as it did about being aspie.


Good points. She missed how he expressed his love for her because she was too busy expecting him to fill her own NT criteria.



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29 Dec 2010, 7:42 am

i did not identify with the "adam" character at all. it was a waste of time for me to watch.



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29 Dec 2010, 8:30 am

as an NT woman who has had an on/off something-like-a-relationship with an aspie guy, i thought the adam character seemed pretty "normal" and very capable of being a loving, thoughtful and considerate partner. i'd take adam over my aspie anyday. lol.



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29 Dec 2010, 9:02 am

Jeyradan wrote:
I'm not commenting on the movie overall - good points and bad points - but I have to say... wouldn't it have been just as bad if the woman had gone with him because he "needed her"? Isn't that sending as bad a message or worse - that we don't have romantic relationships, we have "surrogate parents"?

Personally, I think the idea that she didn't go with him is fine; with the book at the end, they showed that she still cared about him (and, obviously, he about her). And because he was alone, not with some sort of support/guide/parent/thing, I think that the fact that he was developing real, functional relationships in his new job (with his friends, who invited him out; with the woman who was carrying the boxes) actually shows that he is more capable than he, or anyone else, thought.

I think that sends a much better message. And I got the idea that Adam could probably at some later point enter into a relationship with the box-carrying lady if he wanted; she seemed to like him, and he was learning to respond appropriately to that.


This. Oh so much this. Spot on analysis. The truth of the matter is learning from past relationships is very important as an adult. It kind of showed a ray of hope in the end in the fact he learned that he didn't "need" other people, he could be on his own and grow. I could go on, but I didn't see the end as "unhappy". In fact I saw it as a realistic happy ending, which is not something you see very often in movies. They obviously both had an impact in each others lives, but them being together was not healthy for either one at that point in time. He did not get hung up on her in the end, and his ability to move on, was very adult, it showed personal growth that wasn't there before. Personal growth which ultimately will result in a healthy relationship. It is something that is very subtle in a relationship.



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29 Dec 2010, 11:07 am

It just made me think... Wow... I have NO chance of ever getting a partner now... So depressing :(


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29 Dec 2010, 12:26 pm

I saw the trailer, thought it looked like total s**t, never saw it



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29 Dec 2010, 1:11 pm

Jeyradan wrote:
I'm not commenting on the movie overall - good points and bad points - but I have to say... wouldn't it have been just as bad if the woman had gone with him because he "needed her"? Isn't that sending as bad a message or worse - that we don't have romantic relationships, we have "surrogate parents"?

Personally, I think the idea that she didn't go with him is fine; with the book at the end, they showed that she still cared about him (and, obviously, he about her). And because he was alone, not with some sort of support/guide/parent/thing, I think that the fact that he was developing real, functional relationships in his new job (with his friends, who invited him out; with the woman who was carrying the boxes) actually shows that he is more capable than he, or anyone else, thought.

I think that sends a much better message. And I got the idea that Adam could probably at some later point enter into a relationship with the box-carrying lady if he wanted; she seemed to like him, and he was learning to respond appropriately to that.

i agree with this. it is a mistake to think that any movie is going to perfectly encapsulate every possible applicable scenario - that would be absurd. the movie was not trying to tell all aspies how they should live their lives; the movie was about one particular aspie. there isn't any ending that would satisfy everyone.


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29 Dec 2010, 6:37 pm

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I was disappointed with her decision and a little bemused as well. She seemed to think his social deficits could be overcome by his will alone. It seemed she understood who he was and then didn't. I also found it curious that he suddenly seemed to overcome a lot. It kind of implies that the problems associated with AS are just a matter of "growing up".


I can suddenly overcome things and I thought it was important to show that. When he decided to go to California alone that was him just reaching a decision and sticking to it. I have done similar things in the past. My problems lie with consistency and I always end up having to overcome something else. But yeah I take your point that the film seemed to imply Adam just had to learn and then he'd be fine.



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29 Dec 2010, 7:11 pm

I do think that watching Adam would put women off AS men forever. If I didn't know what AS was I'd avoid aspie guys like the plague if I thought they were like him. I wouldn't want some weirdo hanging by my window in a spacesuit.


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29 Dec 2010, 9:02 pm

Though the relationship between them didnt work, at the end of the film she sends him a book with a note saying, "look how far weve both come", he having just helped a rather attractive young lady carry something and she looks behind at him in a way suggesting there might be a chance of another relationship for Adam.
So I feel the film was showing how they both helped each other and that Adam was now better at talking with people, had a good job, and was more attentive to the needs of others showing that he was now in a better position to form lasting relationship.



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30 Dec 2010, 4:25 am

I found this movie very depressing. I didn't like the ending. It made me think 'gee, as an Aspie. I'll never find anyone' :(