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30 Dec 2010, 2:45 am

Okay first let me preface this by saying that I was raised in an upper middle class catholic home. The way almost all moral issues were handled was by trying to us blame to manipulate. I've noticed this in just about all catholic families as I've grown up, but now that I'm older and have more perspective I've seen that most catholic children(Im atheist now but was raised catholic) are moderately well adjusted. Meanwhile I'm actively contemplating moving to vietnam to volunteer in a home for street kids because I feel it's my job. I've taken on raising the child of a deadbeat ginger because I think it's my responsibility. I guess instead of ranting I should just ask if AS makes us more predisposed to guilt and self loathing than a normal person?



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30 Dec 2010, 4:36 am

I would say yes. NTs sense of what is right and wrong is often based on cultur. In certain cultures female genital cutting is considered right, in other cultures pedophilia is part of certain rituals, in the culture i come from it's the norm to be homophobic and racist in certain situations, you get my point.
Since aspies are less influenced by social constructs, we are probably affected by all human suffering, even when it is a result of our own culture. So we see suffering everywere around us. Also actually wanting to help may be influenced by being an aspie. If i wanted to fly to Haiti and help there, all my NT relatives would be all like ''but what about your studies?'' and ''don't you want to buy a house first?''. They would be conserned more by my social life and status, than by the people suffering in Haiti.


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30 Dec 2010, 11:24 am

I've met some parents that use religion in a toxic way onto their spouse and children, but also non-religious ones that use other means of control. I have had my share of emotional blame, but I doubt it's near as much to cope with than a devoted family. (It was all about the money instead of a God.) I also met people that indeed are Aithiest or agnostic, because they felt they were being strangled by religion as children. I haven't had it, so of course I have no issues with it as some of you do.



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30 Dec 2010, 1:06 pm

Not being catholic, I'm curious about guilt. Is it that people are in a constant state of guilt and must do good deeds and god's will in order to escape the feeling of guilt? Just curious about how it works.



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31 Dec 2010, 10:19 pm

Does AS make one more predisposed to feeling guilt?
I would say yes because personal experience tells me it does. I often feel guilt both when I should and when I shouldn't.
Part of this is due to the low self esteem that I still have. and part of it is due to the emotionally manipulative people I have encountered in the past. I have had people trick me into doing stuff for them by basically making me feel like it would be the most selfish thing in the world if I refused to do it.



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01 Jan 2011, 9:57 am

i used to be overwhelmed by guilt. now i have none.



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04 Jan 2011, 1:41 am

formapleleafs wrote:
i used to be overwhelmed by guilt. now i have none.

Yes. In my teans, I was mentally incapable of realizing what was being done to me. I have a good family, but they themselves do not realize that the mocking voices and hour-long lectures were ways to manipulate based on what they wanted for me and not on any morals I had broken. Years later, I realized this through my own analysis.



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05 Jan 2011, 1:03 am

I think AS alters the sort of guilt we feel. AS reduces the importance of adhering to societal norms - therefore, we don't feel guilty for harmless behaviors which might be frowned upon by society (masturbation, recreational drug use, violation of arbitrary rules). On the other hand, we are horrified by injustices, and so feel terrible when we feel we played any part in perpetuating one. The excuse "everyone else was doing it" doesn't work for us.



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07 Jan 2011, 1:02 pm

I don't know personally, but I agree with the general consensus posted. I feel horrible if i've caused any kind of inconvenience to anyone, especially if its something major.

If someone is dealing with something constantly, the guilt can go to such an extreme level that it can paralyze and prevent me from living my own life.



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07 Jan 2011, 2:03 pm

I've been told, tongue in cheek, that I would make a great Catholic.


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