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06 Feb 2011, 5:03 am

No racism is intended, as I myself am Chinese, but a fair warning, The audio stimulations from sudden frequent, car honking, will cause equlibrium imbalances inso much you will think you're being sucked into the Malstrom on Pirates 3. This is because of the different pitches (but loud) (Chinese love to honk their horns, horns are mainly used to alert someone of potential for accident, however, the Chinese can get quite beligerent at times, (living with 1.6 other people will do that) and use it to express irritation, (namely to tell the other driver, to go faster). Instead of doing the civilized thing and wait for an opening, they will just butt. in line. So You ar jostled by people left and right with no regard for dignity and adult civility.

Loud talking. the only way to communicate is to get loud. The outdoor voice becomes the indoor voice, as Young "brothers", reinact some ancient Kungfu warrior pledge to some Mountain king. (aka some silly "brother" drinking game).

ill manners, So far, I had a pregnant woman hold on to me a stranger as she braced herself for a morning sickness puke. Complete with cold clammy goo hand, (well perhaps it wasn't puke... I'd like to pretend it's just congee, (jook), but it doesn't smell like it. An old man blew his nose on me, I've flew into the pavement, because my step mom ran a red light, And my adrenalin Glands are growing me a nice pair of Moobs, (man+boobs, which is what happens when the hormone levels are out of wack, caused by over stimulation of flight of fight mechanics, (when ever someone honks their horn), and I end up limping around town, in a dizzy haze of sea sickness, clutching my chest (it's like screaming out "boo" to your grandpa on his 99th birthday). As we learned from Fight Club, when your roids are out of wack, it's chemically balanced (equlibrium), with girl hormones, (with man hormones), to achieve a calm state of Qi Zen like balance.

So if you value your space bubble, then china is definatly not a place you should visit. The Trainstation would cause a hyper stimulated, visual and audio hallcination. As you're marinated in a sauce of spit, feces (human and animal, mothers let their kids GO on the street, usually in a corner), veggies, Car honking, Helpless cops and staff trying to direct an unruly crowd of people (It's the PEOPLES republic of China after all), and being in the crowd surfing it almost, like a Mosh pit of 90's old. Just WAIT until you visit Macao, or Hong Kong. heh.

If you have high functional Autism, ie. Aspergers, now you know what sort of society inspired the many methods of mediation as you try to come to grips with big crowds.

Hong Kong however, is very Autistic friendly, people have manners, if they see you're freaking out, they won't necessary stop to see what's wrong, but they won't certainly get in your way. Some spritually minded Hong Kong Chinese (Last bastion of a spiritual people, and Last Bastion of Free Enterprise being practiced), might even try to help (becareful though, like anywhere in the world, there are lots of predators, China has its fare share) Hong Kong also has a society that's not half assed (infrasctructure, mannerisms (It's very very 3rd world war zone recovery in China), Rural china accounts as 99.9% of the country and population. Nobody wants, no body cares about others. (Hence the car honking. They dont' care that people get scared, or people are going deaf and stuff).

But as my father says "Dis is China" (if you can descyper the meaning, good for you).



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06 Feb 2011, 5:16 am

I've been to China, and I loved it.



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06 Feb 2011, 5:20 am

So did I.

I find Europe worse for car honking.


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06 Feb 2011, 5:52 am

I'd never go to China anyway, just to make sure I don't get kidnapped and tortured.



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06 Feb 2011, 10:09 am

A trip to China isn't on my bucket list, anyways.


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10 Feb 2011, 3:07 am

montjuic wrote:
I've been to China, and I loved it.


>>> Do you mean THIS China? Ai Wei Wei is an artist who is helping to creatively express the WTFness of the so called "Tofu" Schools (shoddy cement used to build cheap schools for students of Sichuan province. Where the Rich Party member kids, (the young jackernapples making all this noise, survived in properly engineered schools). Is this what you love Montjuic? Death of CHILDREN??

Sichuan earthquake student casualties investigation
On 15 December 2008, Ai Weiwei supported an investigation into student casualties in the 2008 Sichuan earthquake started by an other chinese artist. The investigation aimed to compile a list of students killed in the earthquake by 12 May 2009, the earthquake's first anniversary.[38] As of 14 April 2009, the list had accumulated 5,385 names.[39] Ai published the collected names as well as numerous articles documenting the investigation on his blog which has been shut down in May 2009.[40]

Ai Weiwei suffered headaches and claimed he had difficulty concentrating on his work since returning from Chengdu in August 2009, where he was beaten by the police for trying to testify for Tan Zuoren, a fellow investigator of the shoddy construction and student casualties in the earthquake.

On 14 September 2009, Ai was diagnosed to be suffering internal bleeding in a hospital in Munich, Germany, and the doctor arranged for emergency brain surgery.[41] The Cerebral hemorrhage is believed to be linked to the police attack.[42][43]

According to the Financial Times, in an attempt to force Ai to leave the country, two accounts used by him had been hacked in a sophisticated attack on Google in China dubbed Operation Aurora, their contents read and copied; his bank accounts were investigated by state security agents who claimed he was under investigation for "unspecified suspected crimes".[44]

Perhaps you guys "love" this China. where school mates forced a girl to strip naked for petty stealing.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2008/videos/n ... -nsfw.html (censored imaged but still nsfw). They repeatly beat her until she exposed herself.

OR THIS? a fatso party member trying to grope a school girl up? 11 year old school girl?

http://www.chinasmack.com/2008/videos/g ... -girl.html



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10 Feb 2011, 4:50 am

you'll also love this one too!

http://www.rdasia.com/the-lost-boy

In this photo Deng, the victim of a "Internet camp", had just rescued a woman from drowing.... And how does China show's gratitude? beating him up with HARD CHINESE WOODEN CHAIRS. (these chairs are laqured (I'm assuming that's the one they used), they beat up this poor hero.

ALL BECAUSE HE PLAYED WARCRAFT, and spent lots of time working on FAMILY PHOTOS!

Well I'm fighting back. I wrote John 3:16 all over the Chinese money, especially on Mao's ugly Pig forhead (Gannon's bastard son). And I fully intend to donate to the KMT political party with Chinese money, donate to free bible organizations.

So China hosts the Guangzhou Asian games-para games, and the olympics, and the World Fair. It's a enlightened and educated country? With what 500,000 years of lunacy and idiocty. Like this Village F-tard who beat up the children, wasn't educated! He was just some shyster ret*d from some village... Beat the game addiction out of the person.

When elections are finally acceptable in China, (I'm keeping an archive or all these human rights abuses, and personally going to like make huge posters to remind the people not to vote for the Reds. But then, the KMT were equally as evil as the reds ever were. Why is it that China will never become a beautiful place like Korea or Japan, or even Thailand, or Taiwan.

anyways, the "counsilors" (again no education), were only sentenced to 2-10 years. This F-ing government has got to go.



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14 Feb 2011, 4:02 am

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures ... rkers.html


OOOO WHAT'S THIS? Chinanese companies abuse the mentally ill? Is this the China you love so much? Sickening. pure sickening.



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02 Mar 2011, 7:52 am

I haven't posted here for a long time but decided to come back and do a search on "China," seeing as I'm living here. I was just wondering if there were any aspies working over here and what their experiences were like. I've lived in Zhangjiagang, a small city about 2 hours away from Shanghai, since the end of August 2010. It has not been easy and, true, there have been some bad and depressing circumstances, but living here hasn't been a complete hell either.

I wouldn't say that China isn't for people with Autism, but it certainly isn't for the feint of heart either. You really need to stay over here for awhile to get used to some of the major annoyances. Then again, there might be annoyances you will never get over. For me, the most annoying thing is being treated differently...I'm caucasian, living in a city with a very small expat population. If you felt different in your home country, and you worried about what people thought about you then you probably shouldn't stay in the smaller cities. I get stared at all the time, people talk about me, watch what I buy, how I eat, and so on. People walking by with their friends, saying hello to me, and laughing is somewhat off-putting as well, though I doubt that all of them are doing it to be a smart ass. Being the subject of curiosity is sometimes funny, but it can get exhausting after awhile. Living in Shanghai, Hong Kong, or Beijing you won't deal with as much of this, but you will still probably find someone who wants their picture taken with you.

China in general is a very social place. If you are a man, it seems to be expected that you will share drinks and smokes with your colleagues and friends when you hang out. I don't do smoking, but I have gone out to bars with people, and I don't care much for the atmosphere. Drinking becomes a competive as each person tries to 1-up the other. But if you refuse things like this, people can find it rude...like you don't want anything to do with them and are selfish. So if you live here, you either play the game or figure out a way to skirt around the issue without looking like a jerk.

Also, if you're really picky about what you eat, then you might have some problems here. You'll be picking lots of bones from your meat, a lot of dishes are oily, and some of them seem downright strange to a Westerner. Not to mention, vegetarians will be sorely disappointed....It's hard to find vegetarian places outside of major cities. A lot of places that have tofu will still have meat in the recipe. Fortunately for me, I'm not too picky, but there are some things I can't get into...I'm looking at you, chicken feet.

Comparing cleanliness standards to the west will probably also leave some of you disappointed. There are some weird smells out there and, as mentioned, a lot of people spit and blow "snot rockets" outside. I was surprised by some people peeing outside at first but, to be honest, the other option would be the public bathrooms, and that makes peeing outside look enticing to me. Needless to say, any time I see a wet spot on the sidewalk where a bush runs alongside it, I step around it. haha

When it comes to dining, the cleanest places will be the most expensive. I've eaten at place that was considered one of the most famous restaurants in the city, and I saw roaches on the curtains. You have to train your brain....I laughed it off because the food was excellent. I didn't even get diahrea! Actually, I've been very fortunate in that arena, since I've rarely had that problem. Yet, everyone will warn you about it before you go to China. People share from the same dishes at mealtime and a lot of people (cooks included) don't wash their hands as freqently as you might think they should, so germophobes beware. Bring lots of hand sanitizer!

Oh yeah, if you really hate changes, then you probably shouldn't work at a Chinese company, at least not in a school anyway. Mine changes s**t on the fly all the time, and I have no choice but to adapt. I was told that I would be doing one thing when I got here, but then they through another class on me. A month later they took away some of my classes, to replace it with another class they told me I had to teach. They'll also take the kids to assemblies, etc. when I'm supposed to have class, often without telling me. I never really know when my holidays are either until the last minute, which makes planning in advance nearly impossible. If it sounds frustrating, it is, and I'm still learning how to deal with it. Culture shock has been really wearing me down as of late, though.

Sounds...Yes, things are loud in China. The horns are only a minor annoyance to me...Then again, in ZHG, not as many people have cars as they do in Shanghai, but people lay on the horn here all the time. The only time it pisses me off is when I'm in the crosswalk while the pedestrian light is green, and some impatient driver turns and honks his/her horn at me. I just smile and wave hello to them. People do talk loud, especially when answering their phones or sitting in a restaurant. My students are also bloody loud in the classroom. I frequently find myself having to shout over them and to get their attention.

Does this mean that I think living in China is a complete bust for someonen with autism? Absolutely not. Your comparison of Hong Kong to the Mainland gives the impression that the Mainland is ultra barbaric. Say what you will about the government and corruption at all levels at society....That exists for sure, unfortunately. But by and large, the people are pretty friendly here and forgiving if you have difficulties grasping Chinese. Making friends, good friends especially, is relatively easy here. I walked to the rural outskirts of the city, was taken in by a family of strangers for dinner, and was invited to celebrate Chinese New Year's Eve with their neighbor's family. I have been really fortunate to meet some wonderful people.

It's true that you can't let your guard down, though. There will be people out there trying to con you sometimes. I remember when a group of guys who practically couldn't communicate in English came up to me and asked me to go with them....no explanation of where, who they were etc. They tried to act like they would be my friends, but I declined the offer...Something sounded shady.

For me, the hardest part about China has been coping with culture shock in the workplace. I can deal with everything else, even the crazy taxi rides and tail-gating buses. But my school has done things that have depressed me, and I don't find the work fulfilling. Don't get me wrong, I love these kids. They have largely been a joy getting to know, but I know I couldn't be happy living here for the rest of my life. One of these reasons is that foreign English teachers aren't really respected without a major list of qualifications, and this shows itself in what the job demands of me. Most of the classes are one day a week oral English classes. How can you really learn much of anything in one day? This also makes it hard to keep kids in line, especially when I was told to pretty much deal with it myself. And the kids don't want to do much other than play word games...Getting them to do something with conversation feels like a chore. I feel like a guidance couselor more than a teacher and, in some ways, that is a more rewarding role...I don't think a lot kids here get that kind of support...They go to school all day and, according to an Australian boy, the teachers will even smack the kids on the side of their head. This is why I try to be patient. But this is off-topic...

Anywho, don't be afraid to visit China...There has to be a place here that's the best fit for you.

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As for Hong Kong, its better living standards are largely in part due to its prior status as a crown colony. The people aren't necesarily always "polite" either. Getting on the subway is a free-for-all. You can also escape the crowds in Hong Kong. Go to the New Territories, and see what I mean.



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03 Mar 2011, 5:51 am

I'm not really a fan of China. I think the way they run their country is almost barbaric. I have nothing against the Chinese though, as I am not racist, I just don't agree with their country.

On a lighter note:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6-zAQF9AyI[/youtube]

I also think this is the wrong sub forum.


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07 Mar 2011, 8:08 am

I grew up in China, in Beijing in fact. That might be why I don't have any sensory issues with sound or light (have other sensory issues), all desensitized. :)

There are perks in China for aspies, though. First they highly value intelligence and academic achievements. I got lots of friends just because my grades were excellent. All parents encourage their kids to be friends with the smart kids. Lacking empathy isn't considered too bad, as overall I find Chinese have less empathy. Less manners overall means aspies wouldn't stand out as particularly rude. Socializing is still important of course, but due to lots of arranged marriage and all the volunteer matchmakers, they get nearly everybody married. For those who want marriage and can use a NT spouse to help with everyday living, you can probably get one without much social skills. :) That's partially why my dad was successful. Very smart and eccentric scientist, got a very social wife who made all the friends for the family and maintained large social network. Even if he didn't find my mom he'd be OK. His brother was a pretty powerful official and said he could find dozens of girls for my dad to choose from. Not romantic, but then people don't care.

I agree this seems the wrong forum for this post. Why isn't this in the main forum?



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08 Mar 2011, 8:12 pm

you can tell your uncle he can play matchmaker for me lol. :wink:


That video was very interesting. I had no idea traffic was like India's.. chaotic no rules, etc.



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13 Mar 2011, 4:08 am

I've only been to china as a tourist, but didn't visit someone who lives there, I feel like that would happen I was visiting. The only thing that irked me was the humidity and the rain at the same time! sort of like Florida.



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17 Mar 2011, 2:30 pm

As an East-Indian, I can attest that India is also to be avoided if possible. Indians aren't known to be accomodating, and the value of human life there is significantly cheaper than what it is in North America. The Bollywood film "My Name is Khan" provides a realistic view of the life of an aspie in India.



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18 Mar 2011, 9:09 pm

WinterRain wrote:
As an East-Indian, I can attest that India is also to be avoided if possible. Indians aren't known to be accomodating, and the value of human life there is significantly cheaper than what it is in North America. The Bollywood film "My Name is Khan" provides a realistic view of the life of an aspie in India.

You are south asian to be precise :). My name is khan does not provide a realistic view........
My views are these:-
My Name Is Khan shows a character who is very autistic. Most aspies are not like that. Furthermore, it shows a muslim who is not against non-muslim ideologically, most muslims are not like that. The African-american part and the floods of 2005 that it shows are an unnecessary part.