Christchurch earthquake aftermath.. One with autism charged

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02 Mar 2011, 12:48 am

Im quite sad about the following article I've just come across and posted link to at bottom.. as I too are currently being treated badly by the law (was jailed and have charges against me.. I tresspassed onto a properly I believed I "owned". I'd been told it was "mine" and I took that literally) and my Asperger's isnt being put into consideration in regards to the crimes.. (Im also on attempted arson charge as I got depressed and went suicidal and went to commit suicide by burning myself on that property. The law system is so bad when it comes to Aspies and medical issues).

(If there is anyone who can help with Aspie legal cases .. I dont think my current lawyer is considering the asperger's my email is [email protected] . Im in severe trouble over it all, I could go back to jail for believing I owned a place as I was told that by someone I trusted and was also suicidal).
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Anyway what do you think about the following article about this other Apie who's now in big trouble for an aspie trait, yeah he's done wrong but should he be further punished for it?. (I personally think with the intense stress of the earthquake and deaths, that the drive to steal light globes (this aspies obsession) probably got worst. I so hope the looting sentence in this case isnt overly harsh (he's already spent time in jail for this without any help where he got bashed.. black eye... its all so so wrong). I think he needs help for his obsession.. not punishment. Anyway.. how do others feel on this article. (dont get confused as they talk about different looters other then him at the end of it)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10709601 headed "Christchurch earthquake: Face of looting is 'autistic' - family

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One of the men charged with looting after the earthquake is autistic and has a mental disability that compels him to steal light fittings.

Arie Smith, 25, became a figure of hate when he was named and shamed after appearing in a makeshift district court charged with theft. He was photographed with a black eye.

He was denied bail by the judge to send a strong message to Christchurch looters, and was remanded in custody until his next appearance.

Judges are imposing harsh punishments in the aftermath of the earthquake.

Smith is alleged to have stolen two lightbulbs and an antique light fitting from a quake-stricken home.

But Shannen Davis said her foster brother has Aspergers syndrome, a form of autism, and other mental disabilities that "make him" collect light fittings.

"What he's done is wrong, we know that, but there are mitigating circumstances for Arie. It's unfair he has become the face of looting."

She said he had been in prison "without any help", and threats of violence had been made because people did not know the full story.

Ms Davis said Smith had been in the care of the state since he was two and became her foster brother when he was 12.

"He's been in our life ever since. He's a wonderful young man who wouldn't hurt a fly. He would do anything to help someone, that's the irony of it all.

"For years, he's been obsessed with lights, switches, fittings, all sorts of bits and pieces. He loves that sort of stuff and his condition just makes him take it."

Ms Davis, 23, said she learned about Smith's arrest when she saw his face in the paper.

She did not blame the police for arresting Smith, or the media for reporting the criminal charges. But she hoped his tarnished reputation could be restored.

"He really is a nice guy, he would give the shirt off his back to help someone. He was distraught from the quake, like everyone else, but the first thing he did was text his foster mum, my mum, to see if she was okay."



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02 Mar 2011, 4:07 am

I'm not for giving free passes just because someone has autism, but come on! He stole a couple of lightbulbs. Easy target much?



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02 Mar 2011, 4:28 am

I won't give any more donations.



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02 Mar 2011, 5:16 am

AutismNZ are apparently onto the case. Whats not in that article is that he apparently thought the house was abandoned so thought waht he was doing was OK which would make sense. Regardless he is not the threat that the other looters are, yes technically he committed a crime but in light of circumstances I would like to see a discharge or maybe just get some community sentence, jail with all the real f*ckwits is not the right place for this chap.
Not happy about the black eye shown and nor are quite a few others here now the circumstances have been revealed, that is not the way things 'roll' over here, not at all we don't accept that from our police, I hope it was not some of those Aussies that are over here, still I suppose it is a very testing and difficult time for the cops.



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08 Mar 2011, 4:00 pm

The man has been bailed and now it looks like the cops will be in trouble. So they should. I do not believe they would be aware he had a disability, but what the hell do they think they are doing punching someone in the face who is not resisting arrest? I can understand the cops there would be all under a lot of stress in the wake of the earthquake, but it's completely unprofessional and they sound like bullies.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10711038



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10 Mar 2011, 5:10 am

a perhaps similar court case has reciently passed through the legal system in tasmania -australia.
An Autistic man has been scentenced under child exploitation laws reguarding his need to download and put into correct order several thousand child pornography pictures from the internet.
He became highly agitated when he saw that several series of pictutees were posted out of order and needed to set things straight - by downloading and sorting the pictures rather than allerting authorities to the criminal activities occuring on the site...
...go figure he got caught and sent to jail.

Similar in that both people have fixations due to their autistic mental state and act upon them in ways that are considered illegal/immoral by the majority (and rightly so yes?).



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16 Mar 2011, 1:11 am

Being autistic I don't buy the autism defense for any criminal behavior, I have no regard for looters taking advantage of a natural disaster.



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16 Mar 2011, 3:30 am

I don't support the autism defense myself, but there have been cases where people on the spectrum have been victims of law enforcement brutality. More needs to be done to educate officers about ASD's, especially when it comes to behaviors that might arouse suspicion when the person hasn't done anything criminal.



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16 Mar 2011, 1:53 pm

I think he should reimburse the homeowners the cost of the lightbulbs.
And that's ALL that should be required of him.

For pity's sake, doesn't anyone in NZ have any common sense? :roll:



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17 Mar 2011, 3:55 am

YippySkippy wrote:
I think he should reimburse the homeowners the cost of the lightbulbs.
And that's ALL that should be required of him.

For pity's sake, doesn't anyone in NZ have any common sense? :roll:


I usually do, and many kiwis do.

Unfortunately a very small number of our law enforcement don't, including superiors.

See this

I've been stopped by police - for wearing a beanie. Clearly the cop in question has certain prejudices.

There was some kind of "party" several years ago for senior staff, and it was revealed a video of a prostitute committing bestiality was played and laughed at by several male staff, despite female staff feeling offended.


But generally, the majority of our cops are OK, and I have sympathy for them after several high-profile deaths (related to organized crime and drug inquiries).

The ones with the worst common sense seem to be our politicians: The core of the National Party, the Act Party, a few of the old guard for Labour, and possibly Hone Harawira and John Banks. Also Don Brash, Chris Carter, and Michael Laws.


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17 Mar 2011, 5:28 am

Ahaseurus2000 wrote:

I've been stopped by police - for wearing a beanie. Clearly the cop in question has certain prejudices.



What prejudices in particular?

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17 Mar 2011, 8:14 am

"Sir, what's under the beanie?"

"We had a call about a hat violation in the area."

"Stop in the name of fashion!"

"The sign back there clearly states this is a fedora zone."

"Give me one good reason for not draggin' ya down to the station house, ya punk!"
(ok, I stole that one from West Side Story)



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17 Mar 2011, 10:48 pm

^ That made me laugh. :lol:

The prejudice I refer to is a stereotype based on appearance. In this case, beanies, hoodies, baseball caps, baggy trousers, and so on.

Commonly worn by "hip-hop culture enthusiasts", "black people", and other "social misfits", if you catch my drift.



It was winter at the time and the beanie kept my head warm.


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19 Mar 2011, 6:05 am

He shouldn't have stolen.

How the f*ck dare he steal from people who have just been in an earthquake? Autism is not an excuse for theft. He didn't need those things.



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19 Mar 2011, 6:37 am

hale_bopp wrote:
He shouldn't have stolen.

How the f*ck dare he steal from people who have just been in an earthquake? Autism is not an excuse for theft. He didn't need those things.

Well in one version of what I read, he thought the house was abandoned. Apparently he normally asks but no-one was there.
And he's not trying to use an excuse, no one talked about an excuse but perhaps an explanation.

And while we're trotting out the how the f*cks, how the f*ck do officers of the law commit an unlawful assault and get away with it? And while these f*cking geniuses were busy committing a crime on an Aspie over two lightbulbs and a light fitting, real crooks burgled two of my friends places, and took their stuff one from inside the apparently secure CBD cordon! Nice job chumps. :x



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20 Mar 2011, 1:24 am

wait a minute, you were going to kill yourself, by burning yourself alive on someone else lawn?