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13 Mar 2011, 10:11 pm

Well, this is me. I am new here. Having done the online tests, and done extensive, slow, careful research (which I gather is an Aspie trait in itself), I am in the early stages of trying to push for a referral to get a proper diagnosis.

I appear to have nearly all the traits, but not all. All the ones I don't have, I seem to have in reverse. For what it's worth, (anyone else who's into Myers Briggs will understand the following jargon), I am an INFJ. As I understand it, the typical AS person would tend to be INTJ. So perhaps that explains the following discrepancies:

Instead of having no imagination, I have an extremely overactive one.

Instead of being a maths and science geek, I am artistic and into art, music, and language.

Instead of hating physical contact, I am very touchy-feely.

Instead of loving sci-fi, I hate it. (Well, I don't hate it, but I am not obsessed with it. It's neither here nor there).

Instead of being unable to empathise, I overempathise, and become extremely distressed by the sadness or suffering of others.

Instead of not noticing facial gestures and body language, I notice them too much, to the point of paranoia and reading things between the lines that sometimes aren't there. Am I compensating?

The online tests and my own self-awareness and gut instinct tells me that I am in fact an Aspie, because I have all the rest:

Literal mind
Needing precise instructions
Needing to do things one step at a time
Thinking about things carefully and being told I am overanalysing
Being honest and being told I am being rude
Being truthful and being told I am non-diplomatic
Not being able to function in the workplace
Never getting the joke unless I'm warned it's coming
Laughing at jokes for far longer than others
Wanting to tell the same joke over and over again and embarrassing people
Noticing what others don't notice, and not noticing what they do notice
Never understanding why people are angry with me
Never understanding why people insist on misunderstanding a perfectly plain sentence that means what it says
Having breakdowns
Rocking
Talking to myself
Clapping my hands and jumping up and down when I'm pleased
Flapping my hands and screwing up my eyes when people overwhelm me
Having to cover my ears when stupid people give me too much information to deal with at a time and it's hurting my brain
Physical clumsiness
Not being able to get to sleep for hours on end if my brain is thinking and feverishly awake
Laughing at the genius of my own jokes
Noticing double meanings of words
Still doing childish things, like sleeping with my cuddly toy, and using non-adult words to refer to certain parts of the human anatomy
Feeling abandoned and betrayed at being forced to do adult things on my own I don't feel capable of doing, because I still feel like a child
Going through phases of suddenly becoming taken over and obsessed with a single idea, to the point of exhaustion because the idea won't let me eat or sleep or do anything else but pursue it
Being interested in, and knowledgable about, a few select topics that no one else wants to hear about
Feeling huge anxiety at any alteration to my routine (food, clothes, places I go, etc)
Feeling a huge urge to correct incorrect statements made by other people with regard to my specialist interests
Having to act all the time if I don't want people to think I'm weird or start hating me
Being impatient with small talk but sometimes smiling and doing it anyway and thinking "these people lead such boring lives, they have no idea they're even alive"
Sometimes just sitting there with a blank, challenging stare that says to people: "Oh? Really? Today I don't feel like pretending. Just you TRY and make me"
Being abrupt or impatient or rude or dismissive with people who are just pathetic attention-seeking moaning whingers, or people who just generally get on my nerves or don't listen properly to what I'm saying. I suppose you could say I'm not very diplomatic! :wink:
Having a huuuuuge attention span for things I am interested in
Becoming so absorbed I lose all sense of the passing of time
Being very sensitive to noise and touch
Not being able to judge distances (if people say: "it was two feet long" I have to ask them: "how long is a foot?" and get them to show me with their hands)
Fidgetting impatiently if I'm made to do boring pointless things I'm not interested in
Being unable to multi-task
Panicing when people insist on giving me too much new information or requests, in a huge long stream way beyond the limit I can deal with
Carrying out tasks laboriously and precisely following the instructions I was given, and then being yelled at for being the only one to "do it wrong" because no one else took it literally
I don't like being forced to look people in the eyes, unless I am remontically involved with them, because I feel non-romantic eye contact is rude. It's far too intimate
Feeling overwhelmed in groups or crowds, depending on my mood, and also depending on whether they are welcoming me or attacking me

Etc

Etc

Etc

I will add additional ones as and when I remember them. I never really knew these were "symptoms" of anything. My way of being is normal to me. I thought this was just my personality. So it's intriguing to suddenly start noticing things about myself one by one, and see them in a new light. I realise that now they suddenly all make sense. LOL



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13 Mar 2011, 10:19 pm

Hi. I'm self-diagnosed as well. You don't have to have all the symptoms of course. I once read if you know one aspie,... you know one aspie.

Reading too much into body language is the same as not reading body language. NTs are able to interpret it correctly and do not become overly paranoid about it (as do you and I). I didn't know obsession with sci-fi is a "symptom" of AS. Sounds more like a stereotype to me. :roll:



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13 Mar 2011, 10:32 pm

Oh dear. Thanks for your reply, kladky. Maybe my research was too extensive. I can't remember where exactly I read about the sci-fi. All I know is that I read all the official webpages I could that listed the symptoms, and then I also googled for individual Aspies who described their own personal traits. Several of them said sci-fi, and that must have given me the idea that it was an Aspie trait.

Maybe you're right. It's just a stereotype of what a "geek" should be. But I am certainly not a geek. No one I know would ever call me that.



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16 Mar 2011, 12:39 am

Still mulling this over. I am definitely INFJ, not INTJ. I have known that all my life.

I don't do computer programming or science or maths. I do creative things. I'm a musician, and a linguist. And I'm caring and kind and tactful. Despite being literal and honest and blunt, I DO also have an awareness of how I could word things better to not hurt people's feelings. And I'm very maternal.

INTJs are not tactful. They just blurt out what's in their head. I don't (always).

I have read a theory online that INTJs are aspies, and INFJs are high functioning autistics but not actually Asperger's. Does anyone know if that's true, and what is the difference between the two conditions? Until I read that, I thought they were one and the same.

The pages I find only have limited info. See here:

http://www.disability-resource.com/Auti ... utism.html

Can't find anywhere with enough info to be of proper use to me.



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16 Mar 2011, 1:20 am

all_white wrote:
Well, this is me. I am new here. Having done the online tests, and done extensive, slow, careful research (which I gather is an Aspie trait in itself), I am in the early stages of trying to push for a referral to get a proper diagnosis.

I appear to have nearly all the traits, but not all. All the ones I don't have, I seem to have in reverse. For what it's worth, (anyone else who's into Myers Briggs will understand the following jargon), I am an INFJ. As I understand it, the typical AS person would tend to be INTJ. So perhaps that explains the following discrepancies:

Instead of having no imagination, I have an extremely overactive one.

Instead of being a maths and science geek, I am artistic and creative.

Instead of hating physical contact, I am very touchy-feely.

Instead of loving sci-fi, I hate it. (Well, I don't hate it, but I am not obsessed with it. It's neither here nor there).

Instead of being unable to empathise, I overempathise, and become extremely distressed by the sadness or suffering of others.

Instead of not noticing facial gestures and body language, I notice them too much, to the point of paranoia and reading things between the lines that sometimes aren't there.

The online tests and my own self-awareness and gut instinct tells me that I am in fact an Aspie, because I have all the rest:

Literal mind
Needing precise instructions
Needing to do things one step at a time
Thinking about things carefully and being told I am overanalysing
Being honest and being told I am being rude
Being truthful and being told I am non-diplomatic
Not being able to function in the workplace
Never getting the joke unless I'm warned it's coming
Laughing at jokes for far longer than others
Wanting to tell the same joke over and over again and embarrassing people
Noticing what others don't notice, and not noticing what they do notice
Never understanding why people are angry with me
Never understanding why people insist on misunderstanding a perfectly plain sentence that means what it says
Having breakdowns
Rocking
Talking to myself
Physical clumsiness
Not being able to get to sleep for hours on end if my brain is thinking and feverishly awake
Laughing at the genius of my own jokes
Noticing double meanings of words
Still doing childish things, like sleeping with my cuddly toy, and using non-adult words to refer to certain parts of the human anatomy
Feeling abandoned and betrayed at being forced to do adult things on my own I don't feel capable of doing, because I still feel like a child
Going through phases of suddenly becoming taken over and obsessed with a single idea, to the point of exhaustion because the idea won't let me eat or sleep or do anything else but pursue it
Being interested in, and knowledgable about, a few select topics that no one else wants to hear about
Feeling huge anxiety at any alteration to my routine (food, clothes, places I go, etc)
Feeling a huge urge to correct incorrect statements made by other people with regard to my specialist interests
Having to act all the time if I don't want people to think I'm weird or start hating me
Being impatient with small talk but sometimes smiling and doing it anyway and thinking "these people lead such boring lives, they have no idea they're even alive"
Sometimes just sitting there with a blank, challenging stare that says to people: "Oh? Really? Today I don't feel like pretending. Just you TRY and make me"
Being abrupt or impatient or rude or dismissive with people who are just pathetic attention-seeking moaning whingers, or people who just generally get on my nerves or don't listen properly to what I'm saying. I suppose you could say I'm not very diplomatic! :wink:
Having a huuuuuge attention span for things I am interested in
Becoming so absorbed I lose all sense of the passing of time
Being very sensitive to noise and touch
Not being able to judge distances (if people say: "it was two feet long" I have to ask them: "how long is a foot?" and get them to show me with their hands)
Fidgetting impatiently if I'm made to do boring pointless things I'm not interested in
Being unable to multi-task
Panicing when people insist on giving me too much new information or requests, in a huge long stream way beyond the limit I can deal with
Carrying out tasks laboriously and precisely following the instructions I was given, and then being yelled at for being the only one to "do it wrong" because no one else took it literally
I don't like being forced to look people in the eyes, because I feel eye contact is rude. It's far too intimate
Feeling overwhelmed in groups or crowds, depending on my mood, and also depending on whether they are welcoming me or attacking me

Etc

Etc

Etc



Get it checked then?? I don't get why people put it off, if you think it is, GO GET IT CHECKED?! What's the point in posting on a forum, when you would word it in a way so people are like 'yeah sounds like you have it.'

There is a whole plethora of things you could have, not just Aspergers. If these things are concerning you/making your life difficult to live, or perhaps you just want some things addressed, then go and do it and get a PROFESSIONAL to tell you.

Also, if you want to know your Myer Briggs, get a professional to do it, because otherwise it is not really valid. Just speculative, much like your Aspergers.



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16 Mar 2011, 1:45 am

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Get it checked then?? I don't get why people put it off, if you think it is, GO GET IT CHECKED?! What's the point in posting on a forum, when you would word it in a way so people are like 'yeah sounds like you have it.'

There is a whole plethora of things you could have, not just Aspergers. If these things are concerning you/making your life difficult to live, or perhaps you just want some things addressed, then go and do it and get a PROFESSIONAL to tell you.

Also, if you want to know your Myer Briggs, get a professional to do it, because otherwise it is not really valid. Just speculative, much like your Aspergers.


Em, wow.

You're a really friendly individual, aren't you?

Nice to meet you too.

Get it checked? Like you think that had never occurred to me? And you think I'm so stupid I prefer to trawl the internet as my only means of diagnosis?

Next time you are about to go off on a rude impatient rant to a newbie, and there's a chance your rant may be irrelevant, take your own advice and GET IT CHECKED (the basis for your rant, that is).

I have put all sorts of things in motion, but they take time. You could have bothered to CHECK the very first sentence of the post you've quoted but perhaps not bothered to read, where I clearly state that I am WAITING FOR A REFERRAL. But, of course, that would have been too easy.

I don't know what country you're from, but in MY country you can't just click your fingers and demand a referral to a specialist tomorrow morning. It doesn't work like that. It takes time. Even going private takes time. I can't pay to see a private specialist until I have the appropriate funding and referral and paperwork.

Also, what makes you think my MBTI has never been diagnosed? You're making rude assumptions again.



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16 Mar 2011, 3:24 am

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INTJs are not tactful. They just blurt out what's in their head. I don't (always).

So every INTJ is like that? Well I am INTJ and am very watchful of my words. Anyway not every INTJ will be the same. It's just a bunch of traits with a label slapped onto it.

You seem to be taking the research far too literally. Not every person with AS will have the same traits.
I have an imagination, love sci-fi, am more artistic but still love scientific facts, can be both lacking empathy and having too much and I pretty much over exaggerate facial expressions and exaggerate my own facial expressions.


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16 Mar 2011, 8:43 am

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rabbit90 wrote:


Get it checked then?? I don't get why people put it off, if you think it is, GO GET IT CHECKED?! What's the point in posting on a forum, when you would word it in a way so people are like 'yeah sounds like you have it.'

There is a whole plethora of things you could have, not just Aspergers. If these things are concerning you/making your life difficult to live, or perhaps you just want some things addressed, then go and do it and get a PROFESSIONAL to tell you.

Also, if you want to know your Myer Briggs, get a professional to do it, because otherwise it is not really valid. Just speculative, much like your Aspergers.


Em, wow.

You're a really friendly individual, aren't you?

Nice to meet you too.

Get it checked? Like you think that had never occurred to me? And you think I'm so stupid I prefer to trawl the internet as my only means of diagnosis?

Next time you are about to go off on a rude impatient rant to a newbie, and there's a chance your rant may be irrelevant, take your own advice and GET IT CHECKED (the basis for your rant, that is).

I have put all sorts of things in motion, but they take time. You could have bothered to CHECK the very first sentence of the post you've quoted but perhaps not bothered to read, where I clearly state that I am WAITING FOR A REFERRAL. But, of course, that would have been too easy.

I don't know what country you're from, but in MY country you can't just click your fingers and demand a referral to a specialist tomorrow morning. It doesn't work like that. It takes time. Even going private takes time. I can't pay to see a private specialist until I have the appropriate funding and referral and paperwork.

Also, what makes you think my MBTI has never been diagnosed? You're making rude assumptions again.




Nah dude, I actually did read it. I just didn't quite understand what you meant by 'for early stages.' In my country actually you can just go to a specialist i.e a psychologist who specialises in autistic spectrum disorders, straight away, if they have dates available which ONE will. I don't understand exactly how you 'wait for a referal' don't you just get one from a G.P? In fact many psychologists don't often need referrals.

I think it's rather rude of you to call me rude, I never 'ranted' i was merely trying to cut to the chase, any negative feelings you felt from my post were entirely thought up by yourself.

I'm assuming here, based on the fact you haven't had a diagnosis for an actual condition you believe you may have, rather than something that is arguably unnecessary such as a personality test.

Get what exactly checked?? I have my Aspergers diagnosis (positive), I have my dyslexic checked (positive), I have my rheumatoid arthritis checked (positive) and I have my bi-polar 1 checked (positive). I'm fine thanks mate. I've done all the checking I need, I can live my life with the sound knowledge of how I can treat and control varying aspects of my conditions.



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16 Mar 2011, 8:59 am

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Still mulling this over. I am definitely INFJ, not INTJ. I have known that all my life.


Ditch this.

Myer's Briggs is not hard science as some would have you to believe. It is an interesting and sometime useful model for personality, but it is only one way to look at things. You seem fixated on this one point, when the truth is that there is a great deal of personality variation among autistics.


Broaden the base of your research.


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16 Mar 2011, 9:27 am

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Get it checked then?? I don't get why people put it off, if you think it is, GO GET IT CHECKED?! What's the point in posting on a forum, when you would word it in a way so people are like 'yeah sounds like you have it.'

There is a whole plethora of things you could have, not just Aspergers. If these things are concerning you/making your life difficult to live, or perhaps you just want some things addressed, then go and do it and get a PROFESSIONAL to tell you.

Also, if you want to know your Myer Briggs, get a professional to do it, because otherwise it is not really valid. Just speculative, much like your Aspergers.


"Getting it checked" may not be in the realm of possiblities for everyone, rabbit. If you are in the states, with no health insurance, getting it checked can run around $3000. Adults looking for a diagnosis can also have a difficult time because of a lack of clearly defined diagnositic criteria. Many times you need to find a specialist in adult diagnosis - these boards are littered with posts about extremely ignorant professionals passing judgements on superficial criteria - like, you looked me in the eye, you don't like math, your married with kids, you don't look like you have it (?!).

I'm self diagnosed as well - I'm not sure why the opinion exists that people who self diagnose are somehow invalid or just 'pretenders'. Adult women are still one of the least recognised and underserved populations on the spectrum - we get missed much too easily. for some of us, self diagnosis is the only option. I think the opinions of those here serve as a valuable diagnostic tool because the full range of what is and isn't possible is defined by those with AS. Not some text book or university study. If something sounds off - like another disorder or condition - someone will usually speak up and make that suggestion. No one here (or few here who wouldn't dare post an official opinion on a diagnosis) are doctors but there are many many educated opinions that can help steer you in the right direction for further research.



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16 Mar 2011, 9:40 am

It sounds like you certainly have some Aspie traits, so it is probably worth looking into. Just be very sure that you absolutely want a diagnosis. There can be some negatives which come along with a diagnosis and there isn't really much help for adults with ASD. There are also positives that come with it, too, though... and you can now know there's a reason for your behavior.

Whatever you decide, good luck. I hope you find the answers you are looking for.


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It sounds like you certainly have some Aspie traits, so it is probably worth looking into. Just be very sure that you absolutely want a diagnosis. There can be some negatives which come along with a diagnosis and there isn't really much help for adults with ASD. There are also positives that come with it, too, though... and you can now know there's a reason for your behavior.

Whatever you decide, good luck. I hope you find the answers you are looking for.


THIS!

You need to do what is best for you. Getting an official diagnosis may not be that important at this stage in your life. If you are still in school or contemplating returning, have a formal diagnosis can be of some help if you have learning challenges. You would have to work with the disabilities office at the university or college and you would have to have documentation.

Some work environments are more receptive to formalizing these things. Some corporations have actively enforced policies for people with disabilities and while maybe not eager to accommodate, at least willing. Other companies just don't care, and some are outright hostile. Even though it is illegal to discriminate against a disabled person, there are PLENTY of creative ways to make life hard for someone on the spectrum - ways that follow the letter of the law but are almost sinister in their effectiveness at marginalizing.


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16 Mar 2011, 10:12 am

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Laughing at the genius of my own jokes


:lol: - I haven't seen that one before but I'm guilty of it too.

I am no doctor but it sounds like you might be on the right track. There are idiosyncrasies in everyone's personality - I wouldn't take definitive special interests, like sci-fi, as a diagnositic criteria. Your special interest could very well be fluffy bunnies and rainbows. All of us are NOT good at math.

I'm assuming, from your list of traits that you are a woman - pleasepleaseplease forgive me if I'm wrong. This link has been posted on the boards several times - to Rudy Simone's site and her list of aspie female traits;

http://help4aspergers.com/pb/wp_a58d4f6 ... d4f6a.html

Women do present differently than men in some aspects and your list looks very similar.

Also, be prepared! There are quite a few strong personalities here - I am on a personal mission to try and bring balance to the board (donning my Yoda voice...) most folks here have issues with communication - some come across blunt or possibly rude without trying to be. Just a little something to keep in mind while surfing here - especially here. If you ask for clarification and they ARE trying to be rude - well, have at 'em!

Welcome, all_white!



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16 Mar 2011, 10:19 am

Argh!! !

I just wrote a really long response to you and my computer ate the whole thing and won't give it back.

Anyway, I was just responding to the parts where you thought you differed from how most autistic people are.

And actually most of those areas where you think you differ, are actually pretty common ways for autistic people to be. It's just that most of them are stereotypes.

I might try to respond later, but I wanted to reassure you that none of those even remotely mean you can't be autistic. I just had surgery so my brain hasn't recovered from the anesthesia and stuff well enough to necessarily be able to write what I just wrote, again. But I may try.


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Also, be prepared! There are quite a few strong personalities here - I am on a personal mission to try and bring balance to the board (donning my Yoda voice...) most folks here have issues with communication - some come across blunt or possibly rude without trying to be. Just a little something to keep in mind while surfing here - especially here. If you ask for clarification and they ARE trying to be rude - well, have at 'em!


What are you talking about? Strong, blunt personalities on a Aspie forum? NO WAY!


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Instead of having no imagination, I have an extremely overactive one.

Most aspies are imaginative.

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Instead of being a maths and science geek, I am artistic and creative.

It don't say much, in true most aspies are bad in math.

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Instead of hating physical contact, I am very touchy-feely.

May be the case for some.

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Instead of loving sci-fi, I hate it. (Well, I don't hate it, but I am not obsessed with it. It's neither here nor there).

It don't say much.

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Instead of being unable to empathise, I overempathise, and become extremely distressed by the sadness or suffering of others.

The problem for aspies is reading peoples, not to sympathise toward them.

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Instead of not noticing facial gestures and body language, I notice them too much, to the point of paranoia and reading things between the lines that sometimes aren't there. Am I compensating?

Can't say much about that. I think some here have talked about problems like that. You still have difficulty reading peoples though.


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