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22 Mar 2011, 7:32 pm

It looks like the entire opposition (the Liberals, Bloc, and NDP) are going to reject the Conservative Reform Alliance Party budget. If the budget is voted down, an election shall be called.

From what I've read in Macleans, it appears that Ignatieff's Liberals will try to polarize the election between the Liberals and Conservatives, squeezing the NDP out of existence in most of Canada and squeezing the Bloc Quebecois out of existence in Quebec.

I, for one, have advice for the NDP - DON'T CAMPAIGN IN QUEBEC OUTSIDE MONTREAL. It's a stupid, lost campaign and you'd be better served focusing on regaining the seats you once had in the West (given that Western Canada is becoming increasingly Urban, there's many chances to elect New Democrats in areas like Edmonton, the BC cities, Regina, Saskatoon, or Winnipeg - I for one hope Nettie Wiebe is elected). There are many seats in the West that will *NEVER* go Liberal, but might go NDP.


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22 Mar 2011, 8:05 pm

Hrm... It's true that if push comes to shove, i'd rather vote for the NDP rather than the Bloc, but meh. We'll see.

Speaking of budget... -shakes fist at Raymond Bachand-



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22 Mar 2011, 8:15 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon% ... 0%94Biggar

Saskatoon-Rosetown-Biggar is, to me, one of the most interesting ridings this election.


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22 Mar 2011, 8:23 pm

Meh, it's still kinda premature no? To start analyzing the political map when elections haven't yet been declared? =/ We can anticipate all we want, but i kinda have to give credit to the conservatives for knowing how to get out of a jam. =.= (Regardless of means)



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22 Mar 2011, 8:28 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
It looks like the entire opposition (the Liberals, Bloc, and NDP) are going to reject the Conservative Reform Alliance Party budget. If the budget is voted down, an election shall be called.


Ah, the good old CRAP party. It's been a long time since I've thought of that... :lol:



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22 Mar 2011, 8:30 pm

Personally I find the Conservative Party TV attack ads on Ignatieff absolutely hilarious


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22 Mar 2011, 8:33 pm

phil777 wrote:
Meh, it's still kinda premature no? To start analyzing the political map when elections haven't yet been declared? =/ We can anticipate all we want, but i kinda have to give credit to the conservatives for knowing how to get out of a jam. =.= (Regardless of means)


I didn't say that Nettie Wiebe was going to win, but I do think it'll be an interesting race given that Nettie Wiebe has run twice before in that riding and came *very close* to winning and the fact that the riding used to be a Dipper seat. And Wiebe's got some good luck - 100% of candidate who I have given money to have won and I've given money to Wiebe a few months ago! <-- Okay, this is a correlation vs. causation joke

Nevertheless, I'd love to see the Conservative Reform Alliance Party lose that seat.


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22 Mar 2011, 8:40 pm

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Personally I find the Conservative Party TV attack ads on Ignatieff absolutely hilarious


It ticks me off to know end. I feel like throwing something at the screen every time it comes on.

Also, PLEASE don't let there be an election! I do not like the Conservatives, but I hate elections: I have to put up with months of attacks and empty promises. And this one would be particularly irritating because if it was just a few months later then I could vote. Mind you, my riding always elects Conservatives so it would just be one more wasted vote.



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22 Mar 2011, 8:42 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Personally I find the Conservative Party TV attack ads on Ignatieff absolutely hilarious


It ticks me off to know end. I feel like throwing something at the screen every time it comes on.

Also, PLEASE don't let there be an election! I do not like the Conservatives, but I hate elections: I have to put up with months of attacks and empty promises. And this one would be particularly irritating because if it was just a few months later then I could vote. Mind you, my riding always elects Conservatives so it would just be one more wasted vote.


How mad does this one make you? (not sure if its real, but even so its barely worse then what they usually say :lol: )

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ixc9p5Mrk[/youtube]

Weeeeeak :lmao:


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22 Mar 2011, 8:48 pm

Vigilans wrote:
How mad does this one make you? (not sure if its real, but even so its barely worse then what they usually say :lol: )

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ixc9p5Mrk[/youtube]

Weeeeeak :lmao:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYdqOy3-UE[/youtube]


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22 Mar 2011, 8:50 pm

Oh man... :lmao:
I hope nobody actually takes these ads seriously
I almost want to vote Conservative just to show my appreciation for their underrated comedic genius


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22 Mar 2011, 8:54 pm

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Oh man... :lmao:
I hope nobody actually takes these ads seriously
I almost want to vote Conservative just to show my appreciation for their underrated comedic genius


DON'T!! ! You'll give the party a few nickels more in public financing which will ensure more of those stupid ads next time!


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22 Mar 2011, 8:56 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
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Oh man... :lmao:
I hope nobody actually takes these ads seriously
I almost want to vote Conservative just to show my appreciation for their underrated comedic genius


DON'T!! ! You'll give the party a few nickels more in public financing which will ensure more of those stupid ads next time!


They'll make more ads? You just officially turned me Conservative! 8) :lol:


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22 Mar 2011, 9:00 pm

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They'll make more ads? You just officially turned me Conservative! 8) :lol:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVECStFOLhc[/youtube]


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22 Mar 2011, 9:21 pm

LMAO to the one with the reference to Sue Johanson... and the cast of Corner Gas.
And good old Rick Mercer...

Oh man, if only these ridiculous ads didn't cause so much damage.

My favourite political tidbit of the week was regarding the latest poll. Something like 2/3 of Canadians think that "honesty and integrity" in government are more important than economic recovery. But then they turn around and over half think that Harper's the leader best suited to cleaning up government. 8O Where do these so-called Canadians live?

As a side note: Did anyone ever see the RMR where Garth Turner (a newly declared ex-Conservative) described what being in Harper's caucus was like? And then Mercer started screaming at Turner imitating Harper? :lmao: Pure gold.



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22 Mar 2011, 9:45 pm

Vigilans wrote:
How mad does this one make you? (not sure if its real, but even so its barely worse then what they usually say :lol: )

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ixc9p5Mrk[/youtube]

Weeeeeak :lmao:


That ad *was* real:

Joan Bryden wrote:
The federal Conservatives have abruptly yanked two controversial attack ads just a day after unleashing them.

The ads, featuring an out-of-context video clip of Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff, prompted a torrent of criticism — even from some conservative commentators.

Among other things, the ads were slammed as dishonest, unethical, "a clumsy hatchet job," and the work of "drunken frat boys."

Twenty-four hours after they were launched, the ads had vanished from the party's website.

Links to them from other websites produced a black box with a notice that "this video has been removed by the user."

A party official said the ads were always intended to be "a one-day web posting" and there were never any plans to pay to air them on television.

The ads purported to ask Ignatieff whether it makes sense during a period of fragile economic recovery to force "an unnecessary election" or to "raise taxes on job creators." They then flashed to a video clip of an animated Ignatieff shouting: "Yes, yes, yes."

The clip was taken from a partisan speech Ignatieff delivered Tuesday at a Liberal caucus retreat.

Addressing the issue of whether Liberals are ready for a possible election this spring, Ignatieff actually said: "There is another question, a deeper question: Are we ready to serve the people who put us here? Are we ready to fight for the Canada we love? Are we ready to fight for the Canadian family? What's the answer to that?

"Yes, yes, yes. Oui."

Ignatieff said later in the speech that Liberals are "not seeking to provoke an election."

Carleton University communications professor Josh Greenberg doubted the ads were meant to be one-day wonders. He speculated that Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who was out of country when the ads were released Thursday, might have reined in the "overzealous behaviour" in the Tory war room upon his return.

Greenberg said the Tories may also have pulled the ads in response to "negative feedback" from soft Conservative supporters.

"There's really nothing redeeming in them so, if it's turning off the soft right vote, pull the ads and take the oxygen out of the response."

On the other hand, Greenberg said the Tories may have felt the ads accomplished their mission of mobilizing the Conservative base and drawing attention to Ignatieff's overheated oratory.

The party official continued to insist that the message contained in the ads was accurate.

The one positive ad the Tories have produced in the past few weeks — featuring a solitary Harper working late in his dimly-lit Parliament Hill office — has also been pulled from the party website.

The official said it's common to "mix up the rotation" of ads in any ad campaign.


http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/ ... -criticism

I personally hope that the Conservative Reform Alliance Party frat boys sober up quickly.


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