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27 Mar 2011, 2:12 am

In his thread about how the Tea Party is "overwhelmingly White Xian", Fuzzy (a moderate conservative) made a few comments about the profiles of people who vote for various parties. That spurred my interest in the topic (with the 41st Canadian Federal election and what not) and so I've found this very interesting report:

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The Conservative voter is male, over 45 (and even more heavily over 65), does not live in Quebec, and is economically well off. Those who make more than $80,000 per year are especially enamored with the Tories (38.4%), but the middle class ($40,000 to $80,000) also lean slightly more towards the Tories than the average. Out of the five major metropolitan regions, the Conservative voter is most likely to live in Calgary or, to a lesser extent, Ottawa-Gatineau. There are some regional variations to this profile, however. In Atlantic Canada, the Conservative voter tends to be younger and more middle-class than the rest of the country.

The Liberal voter can be either female or male, but is slightly more likely to be female. He or she is 45 years old or older, and more likely to be over the age of 65. He or she is economically well-off, with the $80,000+ group most heavily weighted. The Liberal voter is less middle-class than the Conservative voter. He or she likely lives in Vancouver, Toronto, or Ottawa-Gatineau. The Liberal voter is more regionally varied, however. In British Columbia, the Prairies, and Ontario, he is male. In Alberta, she is under the age of 25 and middle-class. The Liberals do better amongst the youth in Alberta likely because the Conservatives are the "establishment", and it is more rebellious to be a Liberal here than anywhere else in the country.

The New Democratic voter is female, under the age of 25 and to a lesser extent between the ages of 25 and 44, and makes less than $40,000 per year. She is most likely to live in Vancouver. In Quebec, however, the NDP voter is slightly more likely to be male, and in Atlantic Canada she is middle-aged and more middle-class.

The Green voter is a lot like the NDP voter. She is female, under the age of 25 or perhaps middle-aged, and makes less than $40,000 per year. She is most likely to live in Toronto. In Quebec and Atlantic Canada, however, the Green voter is male.

The Bloc voter is slightly more likely to be female. She is between the ages of 25 and 64 and is middle-class, and probably lives in Montreal.

When you take all of this into account, it is easy to see where the battle lines are drawn. The Tories do well amongst males while the New Democrats and Greens do best amongst females. The Liberals and the Bloc are more gender neutral, and are thus either fighting the Conservatives for the male vote or the NDP and Greens for the female vote. The Conservatives and Liberals are the choice of older people, while the NDP and Greens are the choice of younger people. The Conservatives and Liberals wrestle over the upper class vote while the NDP and Greens fight over the lower class. Each party has its niche, and all have to dip in the large pool of middle aged and middle class voters to make gains. "Establishment" voters, people who vote for the Liberals or Conservatives, are older and richer. "Opposition" voters, people who vote for the New Democrats or Greens, are younger and poorer. It all aligns very well to the political spectrum.

One exception is the Bloc Quebecois. Unlike any other party, they are not the domain of any one group. Only a few more females than males choose them, and they are the favourite party of people who aren't very young or very old, and who aren't very poor or very rich. The "average" person in Quebec, thus, is a Bloc Quebecois voter. Only when you go to the extremes of age and class do you find the other parties doing better. It seems to me an interesting demonstration of how the Bloc Quebecois is less of an "interest" party than the other four. Aside, of course, from Quebec's interests.

These results show, in part, why the Liberals and Conservatives are the parties likely to form government. Older people vote for them, and older people vote in greater numbers. Richer people vote for them, and richer people can donate more money. The NDP and Greens are at a distinct disadvantage because their support comes from people who vote less and financially contribute to parties less. It is a formula for perpetual opposition.


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27 Mar 2011, 5:10 am

I wonder if I am a moderate conservative any more. I've slid pretty far left. I'm not planning on voting that way for certain.

I'm for equal rights for gays, opposed to religious practice, not for big business(though our cons are a little different from Americans in that way).

Other than lower taxes on general purposes, I'm for social spending. The Victorians, for instance, massively improved society with big projects. One only has to look at the New York City aqueducts to see that. Somehow we have lost that trick, or its become complicated.


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27 Mar 2011, 5:58 pm

Now, any projects must be run though ultra-corrupt PPPs. The rule is that if some bigwig isn't making profits off something then it's a waste.



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29 Mar 2011, 8:25 pm

xenon13 wrote:
Now, any projects must be run though ultra-corrupt PPPs. The rule is that if some bigwig isn't making profits off something then it's a waste.


There was a little bit of controversy over the de facto business party Mayor, Sam Katz, entering into a secretive deal to turn over civic services as part of a PPP deal.


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29 Mar 2011, 9:23 pm

Very interesting. The Conservative stats don't surprise me at all. The Liberal ones to a little--I was expecting it to extend a bit farther into the lower-middle class. Greens being similar to NDP makes sense--the two parties have very similar outlooks on most issues.

I don't really fit these trends though. I come from an upper-middle class family but am definitely not conservative. I used to think of myself as Liberal, but have grown more and more open to the NDP and increasingly drawn to the Greens. I think I might join up with the Greens when I'm in university. I was reading their platform a moment ago and like almost all of it. It's just their policies on nuclear power and GE foods that I don't like :( Why do so many environmentalists have to be technophobic?



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29 Mar 2011, 10:02 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
Very interesting. The Conservative stats don't surprise me at all. The Liberal ones to a little--I was expecting it to extend a bit farther into the lower-middle class. Greens being similar to NDP makes sense--the two parties have very similar outlooks on most issues.

I don't really fit these trends though. I come from an upper-middle class family but am definitely not conservative. I used to think of myself as Liberal, but have grown more and more open to the NDP and increasingly drawn to the Greens. I think I might join up with the Greens when I'm in university. I was reading their platform a moment ago and like almost all of it. It's just their policies on nuclear power and GE foods that I don't like :( Why do so many environmentalists have to be technophobic?


Well, the trends are aggregations of contradictory groups that composit each political party. Also, you fit the trend of a New Democrat being under 25 and " the NDP voter ... in Atlantic Canada ... is ... more middle-class."


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30 Mar 2011, 10:52 am

AstroGeek wrote:
Very interesting. The Conservative stats don't surprise me at all. The Liberal ones to a little--I was expecting it to extend a bit farther into the lower-middle class. Greens being similar to NDP makes sense--the two parties have very similar outlooks on most issues.

I don't really fit these trends though. I come from an upper-middle class family but am definitely not conservative. I used to think of myself as Liberal, but have grown more and more open to the NDP and increasingly drawn to the Greens. I think I might join up with the Greens when I'm in university. I was reading their platform a moment ago and like almost all of it. It's just their policies on nuclear power and GE foods that I don't like :( Why do so many environmentalists have to be technophobic?


The Liberals occupy a very solid position with university educated, affluent, urban Canadians. In fact, one of their difficulties in the last few years has been the erosion of their support among young progressive voters who are increasingly looking at the NDP and the Greens.

Taken together, center and progressive voters form a solid majority in this country. What the Prime Minister has been trying to do on an ongoing basis is squeeze the Liberal Party out of existence, so that the primary voter choice will not be Conservative - Liberal, but Conservative - NDP, with the expectation that the center will break right, rather than left.


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30 Mar 2011, 5:57 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Taken together, center and progressive voters form a solid majority in this country. What the Prime Minister has been trying to do on an ongoing basis is squeeze the Liberal Party out of existence, so that the primary voter choice will not be Conservative - Liberal, but Conservative - NDP, with the expectation that the center will break right, rather than left.


That sounds about right. He is probably correct on that too. The 905 bible belt is pretty religious and conservative in values. While they support the liberals somewhat, a change in perception about what the left represents might shift them firmly. They are the reason Toronto has a conservative Mayor.

On the other hand, there are a lot of westerners that are fiscally conservative and so they vote that way. If the right swerves into the religious nut field, westerners could switch. This is what is happening to me.


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30 Mar 2011, 8:31 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Very interesting. The Conservative stats don't surprise me at all. The Liberal ones to a little--I was expecting it to extend a bit farther into the lower-middle class. Greens being similar to NDP makes sense--the two parties have very similar outlooks on most issues.

I don't really fit these trends though. I come from an upper-middle class family but am definitely not conservative. I used to think of myself as Liberal, but have grown more and more open to the NDP and increasingly drawn to the Greens. I think I might join up with the Greens when I'm in university. I was reading their platform a moment ago and like almost all of it. It's just their policies on nuclear power and GE foods that I don't like :( Why do so many environmentalists have to be technophobic?


Well, the trends are aggregations of contradictory groups that composit each political party. Also, you fit the trend of a New Democrat being under 25 and " the NDP voter ... in Atlantic Canada ... is ... more middle-class."

True, I suppose. Although it's surprising I'm even remotely open to the NDP. My first introduction to them was my dad telling me they support "unions and all of that bad stuff." For years I just assumed they were bad and ignored them. It wasn't until recently that it began to dawn on me that hey, maybe these guys aren't evil after all.

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The Liberals occupy a very solid position with university educated, affluent, urban Canadians. In fact, one of their difficulties in the last few years has been the erosion of their support among young progressive voters who are increasingly looking at the NDP and the Greens.

That makes sense. It is what happened in Britain with the Labour Party after all. It's just that it happened about 80-90 years earlier there. I wonder why that didn't happen here. Are our Liberals slightly more left-wing then there's?



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02 May 2011, 6:33 pm

I suspect these figures will change after the election. It'll be interesting to see whether Visagrunt's summary of the prospect of "squeezing out" the middle comes to fruition this election or whether the superior ground organization of the Liberals overwhelms the "NDP surge".


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02 May 2011, 7:15 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
Very interesting. The Conservative stats don't surprise me at all. The Liberal ones to a little--I was expecting it to extend a bit farther into the lower-middle class. Greens being similar to NDP makes sense--the two parties have very similar outlooks on most issues.

I don't really fit these trends though. I come from an upper-middle class family but am definitely not conservative. I used to think of myself as Liberal, but have grown more and more open to the NDP and increasingly drawn to the Greens. I think I might join up with the Greens when I'm in university. I was reading their platform a moment ago and like almost all of it. It's just their policies on nuclear power and GE foods that I don't like :( Why do so many environmentalists have to be technophobic?

You forget nanotechnologies, they want to only financing nanotechnologies research on how they can be warmful. Or so i heard... Certainly a stupid position... They just have no idea of the potentisl applications of fullerene.


Also, NPD got a spectacular rise of popularity in Québec. (Spectacular political revolution... Typical of Québec. :wink: )


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02 May 2011, 7:24 pm

Tollorin wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Very interesting. The Conservative stats don't surprise me at all. The Liberal ones to a little--I was expecting it to extend a bit farther into the lower-middle class. Greens being similar to NDP makes sense--the two parties have very similar outlooks on most issues.

I don't really fit these trends though. I come from an upper-middle class family but am definitely not conservative. I used to think of myself as Liberal, but have grown more and more open to the NDP and increasingly drawn to the Greens. I think I might join up with the Greens when I'm in university. I was reading their platform a moment ago and like almost all of it. It's just their policies on nuclear power and GE foods that I don't like :( Why do so many environmentalists have to be technophobic?

You forget nanotechnologies, they want to only financing nanotechnologies research on how they can be warmful. Or so i heard... Certainly a stupid position... They just have no idea of the potentisl applications of fullerene.

May be true (no pun intended). I didn't see it mentioned in their platform but it wouldn't surprise me. [Sigh] But they do claim to want to increase NSERC funding, so that's good at least. I guess I'd qualify as a "Bright Green Environmentalist"--I believe in protecting the environment but see technological advance as compatible (even beneficial) in doing this.



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02 May 2011, 7:34 pm

Just did a quick search of the Green Party Platform. They advocate a ban of nano-materials in foods (to be fair, why do we need nanomaterials in foods?) and labeling of all other products containing them. They do want to do research into harmful impact of nanomaterials (fair enough I suppose) but say nothing about cutting funding into research for the use of them outside of food (and when they want to cut funding for something they come out and say it--just look at their sections on nuclear and GE foods).



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02 May 2011, 9:31 pm

We should add that the typical NPD voter live in Québec now.


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02 May 2011, 9:54 pm

Forgive me as i try to contain my rage as to WHY Toronto would vote conservative. =.= Must be because of that new mayor they have. -.-



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02 May 2011, 11:19 pm

Les opinions du Quebec topique

Tollorin wrote:
We should add that the typical NPD voter live in Québec now.


Ironic. And Duceppe has been turfed. :?:


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Forgive me as i try to contain my rage as to WHY Toronto would vote conservative. =.= Must be because of that new mayor they have. -.-


I think conservative votes were up the middle. the Liberal party has lost credibility, and now their leader has been ousted. Time to renew what being a liberal means. Gerard Kennedy has lost his seat--and he was quite popular with the voters in his riding. bob Rae reatains his, and so the leadership may yet rise up in his consciousness. :idea:


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