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31 Mar 2011, 9:14 pm

Over the last year or so, and especially over the last week since Canada called an election, I have started to find myself interested in Green Politics. To give a quick summary, other than the basic idea of protecting the environment, Greens believe in building an economy that is sustainable environmentally and economically, in promoting peace, equality, breaking the power of big businesses, grass-roots democracy, and the importance of social programs such as education and health care (I'm Canadian so most parties would agree to that last bit, but the Greens make it a particular priority). There are a couple of other points that I disagree on, but I honestly think that the Green Party still is the closest to my views and would be interested in supporting them in the future.

However, my parents are both highly dismissive about the Green Party. My dad just doesn't care much about the environment (although he'd never come right out and say it) and is a bit too right-wing for the Greens anyway. My Mom just refuses to believe that the Greens have any sort of mandate other than environmentalism and dismisses them.

I'm nearly at voting age (if our current election had been called a few months later I could have voted) and as I said would be interested in supporting the Greens later (probably once I'm in university). But how can I do this without getting into arguments with my parents? Usually I've respected their opinions on things before, so I'm really not comfortable with differing from them like this.

I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this post, but since it's more about dealing with parents than politics I decided to post here.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:20 pm

I'm not one to be rebellious either, but at some point, you just have to say screw them. Contrary to popular belief, yes you are allowed to have your own political opinions. Democracy can't work if you're not thinking for yourself. I understand it may be uncomfortable to disagree with them, but they need to be obligated to respect your opinions.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:27 pm

Just because their your parents doesent mean they will have the same beliefs as you.
Everyones different and so everyone values different things greater than others. I dont think you should worry about it, just vote for the greens if thats how you want to see your country run!
and, just try to avoid talking about it. thats the best way to go.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:32 pm

I wish Americans were more like Canadians politically.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:35 pm

That's because the greenies are hateful loons. They're dead on.

Having said that, you're right to have political opinions of your own. Mine are generally unpopular among everyone else apart from my mum, though, and even she thinks I'm excessive with it.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:37 pm

I'm a liberal with conservative parents and, while my Mom doesn't mind, my Stepfather is fiercely conservative. I kinda know how ya feel.

No matter what happens, I just want Harper out.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:37 pm

I aggree with northeastern282



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31 Mar 2011, 10:05 pm

i just don't discuss politics with my parents. the great thing about voting is that it's confidential. my parents and i see things differently when it comes down to who to vote for. some subjects are better left undiscussed, politics is usually one of those. last time i discussed voting with my parents was in 1999, the first year i got to vote(i'm also in Canada). i voted for Dalton because he promised to legalize marijuana and i thought that was a great idea at the time. now the most i'll say to them on the subject is 'Don't forget to vote." personally i find the whole thing more like taking a shot in the dark than actually helping things progress how you'd like them to. it's hard to tell what campaigne promises will come to be and what promises are just gimicks to gain votes. i have however been enjoying all the excessive tax credits i've been receiving lately. maybe i will vote for whoever keeps those coming? (j/k)



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31 Mar 2011, 10:17 pm

@Tequila: If I'd wanted your opinion on my beliefs then I would have posted this thread in the Politics Forum. There are a few things I'd like to say about your views but I'm going to hold back. The point of this thread is coping in hostile conditions, which is universally difficult regardless of what one's views are.

@Jonsi: Agreed, Harper needs to go. I'm not opposed to the Liberals by any means and always used to assume that they are the one's I'd vote for. And of course I know full well the Green Party will be extremely lucky if they get even one seat.... But since Conservatives ALWAYS win in my riding there is no use in voting strategically. I might as well vote as I actually believe.

@missykrissy: Unfortunately in my house politics do tend to be discussed. Not all the time, but when the grandparents are over for dinner it will sometimes come up. And they would be at least as harsh as my parents on this issue. I guess I'll just have to learn to hold my tongue.



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31 Mar 2011, 10:34 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
There are a few things I'd like to say about your views but I'm going to hold back.


What, that I'm a planet-murdering scumbag? Heard it all before.

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The point of this thread is coping in hostile conditions, which is universally difficult regardless of what one's views are.


True enough. Tell that to the climate sceptics. ;)



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01 Apr 2011, 12:36 am

AstroGeek wrote:
Over the last year or so, and especially over the last week since Canada called an election, I have started to find myself interested in Green Politics. To give a quick summary, other than the basic idea of protecting the environment, Greens believe in building an economy that is sustainable environmentally and economically, in promoting peace, equality, breaking the power of big businesses, grass-roots democracy, and the importance of social programs such as education and health care (I'm Canadian so most parties would agree to that last bit, but the Greens make it a particular priority). There are a couple of other points that I disagree on, but I honestly think that the Green Party still is the closest to my views and would be interested in supporting them in the future.

However, my parents are both highly dismissive about the Green Party. My dad just doesn't care much about the environment (although he'd never come right out and say it) and is a bit too right-wing for the Greens anyway. My Mom just refuses to believe that the Greens have any sort of mandate other than environmentalism and dismisses them.

I'm nearly at voting age (if our current election had been called a few months later I could have voted) and as I said would be interested in supporting the Greens later (probably once I'm in university). But how can I do this without getting into arguments with my parents? Usually I've respected their opinions on things before, so I'm really not comfortable with differing from them like this.

I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this post, but since it's more about dealing with parents than politics I decided to post here.


Vote for who you want and refuse to discuss politics if they have a problem accepting you have different political view than they do, and they take it personally.



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01 Apr 2011, 2:43 pm

Tequila wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
There are a few things I'd like to say about your views but I'm going to hold back.


What, that I'm a planet-murdering scumbag? Heard it all before.


That was actually a ways down my list. The environment is not my only concern. And please don't reply telling me that I shouldn't vote for the Green Party then. As I said, I did not mean for this to be a place to discuss my particular beliefs, merely how to cope with them.



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01 Apr 2011, 2:46 pm

Chronos wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Over the last year or so, and especially over the last week since Canada called an election, I have started to find myself interested in Green Politics. To give a quick summary, other than the basic idea of protecting the environment, Greens believe in building an economy that is sustainable environmentally and economically, in promoting peace, equality, breaking the power of big businesses, grass-roots democracy, and the importance of social programs such as education and health care (I'm Canadian so most parties would agree to that last bit, but the Greens make it a particular priority). There are a couple of other points that I disagree on, but I honestly think that the Green Party still is the closest to my views and would be interested in supporting them in the future.

However, my parents are both highly dismissive about the Green Party. My dad just doesn't care much about the environment (although he'd never come right out and say it) and is a bit too right-wing for the Greens anyway. My Mom just refuses to believe that the Greens have any sort of mandate other than environmentalism and dismisses them.

I'm nearly at voting age (if our current election had been called a few months later I could have voted) and as I said would be interested in supporting the Greens later (probably once I'm in university). But how can I do this without getting into arguments with my parents? Usually I've respected their opinions on things before, so I'm really not comfortable with differing from them like this.

I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this post, but since it's more about dealing with parents than politics I decided to post here.


Vote for who you want and refuse to discuss politics if they have a problem accepting you have different political view than they do, and they take it personally.


Oh, I have every intention of voting for who I want to. It's mostly just that I have a compulsive urge to correct people when the describe anything incorrectly, as my parents do whenever they talk about the Green Party.



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02 Apr 2011, 2:17 am

My parents both consistently vote Democrat, as I most likely will do so in all future elections, but my political beliefs are probably more socially liberal than my parents'. For example, my parents are both pro-life, whereas I'm pro-choice.


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02 Apr 2011, 8:21 am

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My parents both consistently vote Democrat, as I most likely will do so in all future elections, but my political beliefs are probably more socially liberal than my parents'. For example, my parents are both pro-life, whereas I'm pro-choice.

It always strikes me as kind of weird how the US has an essentially 2 party system. It means that you have to either be center-right (or far-right it seems some days) or center-left. There is no room for anyone verging farther to the left or who is more in the center. In Canada are Conservatives are basically at the center and then we have a spectrum of parties across the left: Liberals (similar to the Democracts), the New Democratic Party (NDP, they used to be socialists but now they just want reform), and the Greens. Of course, I'm sure some people would complain that we don't offer anything much for right-wing voters. Oh well, I honestly can't it's a huge concern for me.



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02 Apr 2011, 8:51 am

AstroGeek wrote:
That was actually a ways down my list. The environment is not my only concern. And please don't reply telling me that I shouldn't vote for the Green Party then.


I wouldn't dare tell you not to vote for X party. You vote for who you like. That I disagree with them is by-the-by.

Reason I dislike the English Greens is because they are left-wing, authoritarian and deeply statist as well as being patronising, holier-than-thou wretches. The Greens in your country might well be different. :)