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06 Apr 2011, 6:30 pm

Can I have evidence for and against Adolf Hitler having undiagnosed Asperger's Syndrome? He had terrible relations with woman, poor social skills, and intense fixations that led to mass murder. I know he's not someone we'd normally like to be associated with but the fact remains, Asperger's wasn't what set him off the edge, whether he had it or not, he had much, much worse things going on than mild Asperger's. I have the "disorder", but I think people need to understand that Hans Asperger, had many of the symptoms, especially growing up, that he later diagnosed...and also the unusually good treatment [i.e. not being gassed due to Eugenics experiments] of "Little Professor Syndrome" in Nazi Germany, was it possible that Hitler saw many of the signs of Asperger's in himself? Interesting theory, also this is what Hans Asperger said of his "Professors".

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"We are convinced, then, that autistic people have their place in the organism of the social community. They fulfil their role well, perhaps better than anyone else could, and we are talking of people who as children had the greatest difficulties and caused untold worries to their care-givers."


Hitler was a problem child too.



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06 Apr 2011, 6:40 pm

I'm not holding any secret Adolf aspie evidence archives. Unless someone is, all we will see here is conjecture.


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06 Apr 2011, 6:40 pm

Moving to PPR


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06 Apr 2011, 7:56 pm

Hitler had the gift of speech, he drove a whole country to doom only through social skills. He would fit the sociopath profile a lot more. Not like it really matters at all to diagnose dead people.


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06 Apr 2011, 8:16 pm

Z35TYL3M0N wrote:
Can I have evidence for and against Adolf Hitler having undiagnosed Asperger's Syndrome? He had terrible relations with woman, poor social skills, and intense fixations that led to mass murder. I know he's not someone we'd normally like to be associated with but the fact remains, Asperger's wasn't what set him off the edge, whether he had it or not, he had much, much worse things going on than mild Asperger's. I have the "disorder", but I think people need to understand that Hans Asperger, had many of the symptoms, especially growing up, that he later diagnosed...and also the unusually good treatment [i.e. not being gassed due to Eugenics experiments] of "Little Professor Syndrome" in Nazi Germany, was it possible that Hitler saw many of the signs of Asperger's in himself? Interesting theory, also this is what Hans Asperger said of his "Professors".

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"We are convinced, then, that autistic people have their place in the organism of the social community. They fulfil their role well, perhaps better than anyone else could, and we are talking of people who as children had the greatest difficulties and caused untold worries to their care-givers."


Hitler was a problem child too.


Apparently Asperger was also a time-traveller who could be a child growing up in Nazi germany who avoided being gassed by Hitler's Regime, whilst also managing to be a serving Heer Medic and a researching doctor. Outstanding. That or you had a grammar fail somewhere. Also ..no.
Also, no.


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06 Apr 2011, 9:20 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Hitler had the gift of speech, he drove a whole country to doom only through social skills. He would fit the sociopath profile a lot more. Not like it really matters at all to diagnose dead people.


I agree with Vexcalibur for my opinion of Hitler. In my opinion he is more the sociopath type. But with the deceased---a diagnosis might now be difficult.

But to entertain the Asperger's theory---is it possible to be a sociopath with Asperger's? Whereas sociopaths are said to break rules/laws to get what they want, we with Asperger's can be rule driven. Sociopaths are said to not care about other people or their feelings, but we with Asperger's do have feelings for people (at least I think most of us do) although it can be challenging to exhibit those emotions/feelings.

Well...that is my opinion. But I am open-minded on this debate.


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06 Apr 2011, 9:23 pm

I do not think we will be "settling the Hitler debate" in this thread. I don't know how one would go about settling such a debate anyway.



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06 Apr 2011, 9:31 pm

I doubt Hitler had AS. He was a dynamic and social man, though very eccentric. I don't personally feel he was necessarily sociopathic. He definitely had issues of megalomania, and delusions of grandeur. In many ways, he was the epitome of the common man, which is what led so many to be drawn to him. I think he genuinely believed in what he was doing, despite how clear it is to us (who aren't neo-Nazis or ret*d, though both are basically one and the same) that what he stood for was essentially evil. Another thing worth noting is his personal physician supposedly was giving him amphetamine shots as some kind of supplement, which is bound to make a person unstable (better known on the streets as 'SPEED')
For some reason I cringe inside when I see these 'Did x have Aspergers syndrome?' style threads. Personally I find it irrelevant, and considering the person in question is dead...
And since when is there a debate about Hitler having AS? :?


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06 Apr 2011, 9:33 pm

Vigilans wrote:
And since when is there a debate about Hitler having AS? :?


About three hours now. Isn't that tricky? ;)


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06 Apr 2011, 9:35 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
And since when is there a debate about Hitler having AS? :?


About three hours now. Isn't that tricky? ;)


Ah, you got me there sir :lol:


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06 Apr 2011, 9:47 pm

Hitler had a Cluster B personality disorder (i.e. a narcissistic personality disorder).



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06 Apr 2011, 9:51 pm

Failed artist. But great design sense.
Gifted and cunning orator.
Intense fascination with the occult.
Not personally popular with his closest officers - weddings and family affairs had become party functions. Senior officers conducted weddings and such, in pagan fashion. This was by Hitler's decree but he rarely attended such things himself...



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06 Apr 2011, 9:56 pm

sorry no idea if he had it or not tho
I can proved info about a local legend about Hitler linking him to Liverpool that might help.
Its been noted that he had family in the city.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/myths_leg ... ndex.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/ ... ture.shtml

looking at his family ties might shed some light.



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06 Apr 2011, 11:24 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Hitler had the gift of speech, he drove a whole country to doom only through social skills. He would fit the sociopath profile a lot more. Not like it really matters at all to diagnose dead people.


I agree with Vexcalibur sociopath and/or narcisist fits Hitler's profile far better that being on the Spectrum.



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06 Apr 2011, 11:29 pm

Being gifted with public speaking doesn't at all preclude one from having AS.

But then, outside of AS-happy spectrumites,
I've never heard anyone actually suggest that Hitler WAS Autistic.


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07 Apr 2011, 1:21 am

I think he fits better with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

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