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CockneyRebel
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30 Jul 2006, 2:33 pm

I find myself becomming more worked up over Grammar. People used to speak very eloquentley, before the Late 1960s. Now everybody seems to be talking like a bunch of 16 Year Olds, making everything sound like Questions. Even people who are almost in their 60s. I speak in a more traditional way, because that's the way I feel comfortable, and I speak to people the way that I wish to be spoken to. People can speak however they wish, when they're talking to one another. However, I would like them to mirror my Grammar, when they're talking to me. I've even brought it up with various people. They seem to understand for a day, but after that, it doesn't make a difference to them. I also get confused when people call objects "Thingies", instead of calling them by their proper names. Am I the only person in North America who feels this way?



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30 Jul 2006, 2:40 pm

well i haven't had that problem before but latley what ive been obsessed about is handwriting and writing my name over and over again in cursive. its silly really and i dont know why im so facinated with it. hopefully it will go away soon. haha



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30 Jul 2006, 3:59 pm

waterdogs wrote:
well i haven't had that problem before but latley what ive been obsessed about is handwriting and writing my name over and over again in cursive. its silly really and i dont know why im so facinated with it. hopefully it will go away soon. haha


I knew I liked you for some reason. I did the same thing. I'm just ran out of paper.
I had super bad cursive but in my 20's it got rather good. I just like to write anything
to look at it. My name often.



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30 Jul 2006, 4:17 pm

No, you're not the only one. Grammatical and spelling errors catch my attention nearly every day, and they seem to be proliferating. I can't help wincing when I see them in print (which seems to bother me more than the ones I hear).

I'm guesstimating that 95% of our population were exposed to clearly delineated grammatical rules in school. Lack of interest in learning the rules doesn't change their validity. They are a well-established standard for spoken or written communication. Why can't NTs respect these rules? Is it just inconvenient to learn all of them when there are so much more interesting ways to occupy their time? Or is it a cultural preference to show disrespect for rules in general?

Or maybe they see English as a dead, foreign language like Latin. Most of the language we hear from friends, family and TV is so idiomatic that it bears little resemblance to textbook English. This theme of the "bastardization" of the English language was explored by BIll Bryson in his book "The Mother Tongue: English And How It Got That Way" in which he expounds on the theory that the language should be perceived as evolving rather than deteriorating.

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30 Jul 2006, 4:31 pm

pi_woman wrote:
Or maybe they see English as a dead, foreign language like Latin.


Yeah I heard that if you go back as little as 50 years in time it would be very
confusing to speak to people. There is going to be evolution.

As far as spelling goes you might want to read this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... ic&t=14998



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30 Jul 2006, 4:34 pm

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As far as spelling goes you might want to read this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... ic&t=14998


That one doesn't just make me wince, it gives me a headache.



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30 Jul 2006, 4:53 pm

I guess I'm obsessed with grammar as well, as I look for it in absolutely everyone's speech.

And it isn't just grammar. It's dialect, and the pronunciation of words, because here in Scotland many people of course speak in a way that differs (with vastly varying degrees of difference, for different people) from standard British English, or what is called Scottish Standard English.

This isn't to say the dialect and pronunciation - even the grammar - used is wrong, in any way. It certainly isn't - it's regional usage, dialect, pronunciation etc. which has evolved, just like language itself has evolved. I'm just obsessively interested in how the dialect of people round here - and the speech of each individual - varies among individuals, and varied from standard English. I'm intrigued by how specific individuals have varying degrees of traditional regional dialect and accent.



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31 Jul 2006, 5:48 am

I've been brought up to be obsessed with grammar.

My Mum is always complaining when people say things like "Somethink", "Yous people" ect.

I personally can't take it well when someone gets their "there, their and they are" mixed up -__- It isn't too hard to know basic grammar.

Mother went nuts at me when she saw some of my work when I was a kid where I used "there" when it was supposed to be "their".



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31 Jul 2006, 6:11 am

Glad I'm not the only insane one. ****, my obession with grammar and spelling earned me the nickname of 'Walking Talking Dictionary'.



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31 Jul 2006, 6:43 am

hale_bopp wrote:
My Mum is always complaining when people say things like "Somethink", "Yous people" ect.

I personally can't take it well when someone gets their "there, their and they are" mixed up -__- It isn't too hard to know basic grammar.


I personally can't take it when people say "ect" :P

It is meant to be etc, short for et cetera, Latin for "and the rest".



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31 Jul 2006, 6:45 am

emp wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
My Mum is always complaining when people say things like "Somethink", "Yous people" ect.

I personally can't take it well when someone gets their "there, their and they are" mixed up -__- It isn't too hard to know basic grammar.


I personally can't take it when people say "ect" :P

It is meant to be etc, short for et cetera, Latin for "and the rest".


That narks me too. I give them a strange look thinking 'What does electro-convulvise therapy have to do with the current conversation?"



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31 Jul 2006, 6:50 am

emp wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
My Mum is always complaining when people say things like "Somethink", "Yous people" ect.

I personally can't take it well when someone gets their "there, their and they are" mixed up -__- It isn't too hard to know basic grammar.


I personally can't take it when people say "ect" :P

It is meant to be etc, short for et cetera, Latin for "and the rest".


LOl I have no idea. I totally burned myself there.



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31 Jul 2006, 7:05 am

My guess there will be alot of ASD people who are obsessed with correct English.
I would guess also (is that spelled right?) that a much larger number will be like me
. My first "D" was in English. My first "F" was in English. I went to college for
3 years and took only one English class in the summer at a jr college. One reason
I did not finish college is there was noway I was going to take alot of non-science
classes (I took chemistry, biology, physic, math, computers and a very small number hours of the other basics).



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31 Jul 2006, 7:13 am

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Even people who are almost in their 60s.
THAT IS NOT A COMPLETE SENTENCE!! ! PREPARE TO BE PUNISHED.



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31 Jul 2006, 5:59 pm

I do get annoyed with poor grammar and pronunciation, certainly - but I seem to have my own style of language (which is generally more evident in my journal entries) so I can't claim to be right when I wish to correct someone :oops: I just get internally annoyed but hold my tongue.


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31 Jul 2006, 8:51 pm

It bothers me when people use poor spelling and grammar. My boyfriend's mother is of the uneducated persuasion, and when I talk (or try to talk) to her, I feel like screaming
"You should say 'I DID x', not 'I done x' "


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