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18 Apr 2011, 5:24 am

Do any of you know any sort of alternative to tasted toothpaste? Every single kind I have tried to date is disgusting. Are there any tasteless kinds, or perhaps another alternative to teeth brushing with a toothbrush?

Also... please tell me I'm not the only one who detests the act of teeth brushing thoroughly? >.<



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18 Apr 2011, 5:31 am

Once in India I found this: Vicco Vajradanti http://www.viccolabs.com/vicco/Products.aspx?ProdNo=M7

If you have Indian supermarkets where you are, you might be able to find it. They sell it here in London in a number of places, fortunately... I could never go back to regular toothpaste.


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18 Apr 2011, 5:31 am

It's boring, but I like my teeth in my head.

I brush with baking soda... probably won't taste much better to you, though.

You can brush your teeth with a stick... fray the end of a stick a bit and then use it to scrub your teeth. I use liquorice, but any non toxic wood might work.


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18 Apr 2011, 5:37 am

I hated the taste of toothpaste and the act of brushing my teeth, so I understand where you're coming from. Infact I hated it so much that I barely brushed my teeth from when I first got teeth until I was like 13. And when I did brush them, I didn't use toothpaste, just water. This isn't a great idea though, because sadly I already had to get 10 teeth pulled including my 4 wisdom teeth. More will come probably, because even though I brush twice a day and WITH toothpaste now, the damage has already been done :(

My best advice is to just ignore the sensory issues that brushing causes, because the consequences of not brushing properly are badddd. :(



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18 Apr 2011, 6:26 am

I dunno about flavour but I do recommend a Fluoride free toothpaste. Numerous studies indicate that in lowers IQ. Even major health organisations are starting to catch on.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/sitemap.html

Do not take it as conspiracy as many do. It is a provable harmful toxin.

Here is a good bit to start, taken from this page:
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/index.html

FULL-TEXT (pdf): Xiang Q, et al. (2003). Effect of fluoride in drinking water on children's intelligence. Fluoride 36: 84-94.

FULL-TEXT (pdf): Lu Y, et al (2000). Effect of high-fluoride water on intelligence of children. Fluoride 33:74-78.

FULL-TEXT (pdf): Varner JA, et al. (1998). Chronic administration of aluminum-fluoride and sodium-fluoride to rats in drinking water: alterations in neuronal and cerebrovascular integrity. Brain Research 784: 284-298.

FULL-TEXT (pdf): Mullenix P, et al. (1995).Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 17:169-177.

FULL-TEXT (html): Lin Fa-Fu; et al (1991). The relationship of a low-iodine and high-fluoride environment to subclinical cretinism in Xinjiang. Iodine Deficiency Disorder Newsletter Vol. 7. No. 3. (August).


As for taste, I buy kingfisher toothpaste from a health store which is a mild peppermint flavour. Tastes different to the strong minty flavour of most toothpaste.


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18 Apr 2011, 6:46 am

I hate the taste of mint toothpaste too, makes me wanta chuck!

I used a toothpaste that's made for kids as its straweberry flavoured and taste quite nice. Think they do a choclate one too.


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18 Apr 2011, 6:56 am

The Aquafresh polish series tastes like grapefruit to me. So I have been sticking with that.

But there are toothpaste that don't taste like toothpaste. Those organic or natural ones like "Tom's of Maine" toothpaste. But I like my Aquafresh polish series funky grapefruit taste (I say it tastes like grapefruit; it isn't actually intended or labeled as grapefruit tasting).


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18 Apr 2011, 7:02 am

PatrickNeville wrote:
I dunno about flavour but I do recommend a Fluoride free toothpaste. Numerous studies indicate that in lowers IQ. Even major health organisations are starting to catch on.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/sitemap.html

Do not take it as conspiracy as many do. It is a provable harmful toxin.

Here is a good bit to start, taken from this page:
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/index.html

FULL-TEXT (pdf): Xiang Q, et al. (2003). Effect of fluoride in drinking water on children's intelligence. Fluoride 36: 84-94.

FULL-TEXT (pdf): Lu Y, et al (2000). Effect of high-fluoride water on intelligence of children. Fluoride 33:74-78.

FULL-TEXT (pdf): Varner JA, et al. (1998). Chronic administration of aluminum-fluoride and sodium-fluoride to rats in drinking water: alterations in neuronal and cerebrovascular integrity. Brain Research 784: 284-298.

FULL-TEXT (pdf): Mullenix P, et al. (1995).Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 17:169-177.

FULL-TEXT (html): Lin Fa-Fu; et al (1991). The relationship of a low-iodine and high-fluoride environment to subclinical cretinism in Xinjiang. Iodine Deficiency Disorder Newsletter Vol. 7. No. 3. (August).


As for taste, I buy kingfisher toothpaste from a health store which is a mild peppermint flavour. Tastes different to the strong minty flavour of most toothpaste.


Flouride is safe. And on a second note. It is not enough that there was research done. If a research is not done by a good ranking journal it is most definitely BS article that met nobody-else's respected standards (to get published).


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18 Apr 2011, 8:03 am

jmnixon95 wrote:
Do any of you know any sort of alternative to tasted toothpaste? Every single kind I have tried to date is disgusting. Are there any tasteless kinds, or perhaps another alternative to teeth brushing with a toothbrush?

Also... please tell me I'm not the only one who detests the act of teeth brushing thoroughly? >.<


I'm not a big fan of tooth brushing either. I usually brush with water whenever I feel like it. So far, none of my teeth have fallen out. I think that might be because toothpaste and tooth brushing is something that only humans would think to do, and humans used to live in the jungle like everyone else.



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18 Apr 2011, 8:19 am

My dental hygiene has always been poor. I just don't think about it. I have a routine in the morning (shower, shave, brush teeth, deodorant) that if I don't follow I basically don't do these things. There is some minor sensory stuff about brushing my teeth because I hate doing it immediately after eating. I can't stand the taste and the feeling of loose food particles moving around on my gums.

Regarding the opening post, I suspect that brushing with water would be good enough if you do it for a long enough period of time. The idea for hygiene is to remove food particles, sugars and such. Brushing long enough with plain water will work, especially if you floss as well.


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18 Apr 2011, 8:20 am

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jmnixon95 wrote:
Do any of you know any sort of alternative to tasted toothpaste? Every single kind I have tried to date is disgusting. Are there any tasteless kinds, or perhaps another alternative to teeth brushing with a toothbrush?

Also... please tell me I'm not the only one who detests the act of teeth brushing thoroughly? >.<


I'm not a big fan of tooth brushing either. I usually brush with water whenever I feel like it. So far, none of my teeth have fallen out. I think that might be because toothpaste and tooth brushing is something that only humans would think to do, and humans used to live in the jungle like everyone else.


My suspicion is that diet is a massively important part of dental hygeine, and not just because of what you eat meeting the tooth surface. I believe that if you eat in a certain way, you may never even have to brush your teeth. There's a guy called Weston Price who studied such things, and his ideas on dental care are very interesting.


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18 Apr 2011, 8:43 am

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Flouride is safe. And on a second note. It is not enough that there was research done. If a research is not done by a good ranking journal it is most definitely BS article that met nobody-else's respected standards (to get published).


Are you sure? The citations on this report here are from recognised health organisations.

http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAwebFile/HP ... 7169969666

References from people like

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[1] Medical Research Council (MRC) (2002). Water Fluoridation and Health. MRC
Working group report.
[2] International Programme on Chemical Safety (IPCS) (2002). Fluorides.
Environmental Health Criteria 227. WHO. Geneva.
[3] World Health Organization (WHO) (2004). Fluoride in Drinking-water. Background
document for development of WHO Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality. WHO.
Geneva.
[4] HAZARDTEXT® Hazard Management. (2006). Sodium fluoride.
[5] National Poisons Information Service (NPIS) (1995). Fluoride salts. TOXBASE®.
[6] World Health Organization (WHO) (2000). Air quality guidelines for Europe. WHO
Regional Publications, European Series, No. 91. 2nd edition. WHO Regional Office
for Europe. Copenhagen.
[7] Committee on Toxicity of Chemicals in Food Consumer Products and the
Environment (COT) (2003). COT Statement on Fluorine in the 1997 Total Diet Study.
[8] Centre for Reviews and Dissemination. University of York (2000). A Systematic
Review of Public Water Fluoridation.
[9] United States National Research Council (NRC) (2006). Committee on Fluoride in
Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of the EPA's Standards. National Academies
Press. Washington DC.
[10] International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) (1987). Fluorides (Inorganic,
used in drinking-water). Supplement 7. IARC. Lyon.
[11] Committee on Carcinogenicity of Chemicals in Food Consumer Products and the
Environment (COC) (1990). Statement on Fluoride. Cited in COT Statement on
Fluorine in the 1997 Diet Study.
[12] Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) (2003). Toxicological
Profile for Fluorides, Hydrogen Fluoride, and Fluorine. US Department of Health and
Human Services. Atlanta, US.
[13] Fawell, J., Bailey, K., Chilton, J., Dahi, E., Fewtrell, L. and Magara, Y. (2006).
Fluoride in Drinking water. WHO drinking-water quality series. IWA Publishing.
London, Seattle.
[14] Health and Safety Commission (HSC) (2005). EH40/2005 Workplace Exposure
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[15] International Programme on Chemical Safety (IPCS) (1984). Fluorides.
Environmental Health Criteria 36. WHO. Geneva.


It is mostly centred around the effects it has on the bones and some of the possible hormonal and reproductive risks.

If people wish to use it, fine, but the amounts should be decreased considerably. Children using milk formula are at risk from too much flouridated water for example
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/ ... ormula.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2088 ... t=Abstract

Some other research according to this article indicates that it is leading to increased lead absorption too
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ldren.aspx


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18 Apr 2011, 9:18 am

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Are you sure? The citations on this report here are from recognised health organisations.


How does this help the opening post? Surely it is better to brush with toothpaste "suspected" of causing problems, than to not brush at all. This is just a thread hijack promoting a specific, tightly held belief.


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18 Apr 2011, 9:28 am

Maybe you could try some of those fruity ones made specially for children.

Are those even still around? I don't know. I just remember that was what I had to use when I was wee.

Strawberry toothpaste - yum! :wink:

Edit: do you hate any taste, or just mint? If you hate all kinds of toothpaste then I suppose my suggestion will be of no help at all. Sorry. :cry:



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18 Apr 2011, 9:35 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
PatrickNeville wrote:
Are you sure? The citations on this report here are from recognised health organisations.


How does this help the opening post? Surely it is better to brush with toothpaste "suspected" of causing problems, than to not brush at all. This is just a thread hijack promoting a specific, tightly held belief.


Well I originally did say I am not sure about the flavouring but did feel that it is worth mentioning it in relation to toothpaste as it is a common health matter. I am not hijacking anything as you wishfully suggest. I was showing the research about the effects of fluoride. I never said it was better not to brush either. Just suggested that using a fluoride free one may be beneficial to a persons health.

Edit, Moog has a good point about the baking soda as cleaning product. Dr Bronners castaline soap can also be used for teeth and comes in flavours not mint related. You can chew cardiman if you like also, but i do not know if it does anything other than make your breath nicer.


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18 Apr 2011, 9:40 am

I use baking soda sometimes, when I want a deeper clean, and I have to say that, if the OP is fussy about nasty tastes, they won't like brushing with something that basically makes you want to gag. I got used to it; the OP may not. S/he may literally throw up. It's basically like very concentrated salt in terms of flavour.