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I have come to the logical conclusion that the only thing that makes sense is for me to end my life. I can no longer fit within society and as such, have taken the proper steps to insure I can't. I am currently two months away from total bankrupcy- a point I already know I can never escape from.

In two months, the bank will knock on my door seeking repayment on a loan that is months past due and at that point, I will have nothing to offer as payment... at that point, no kind words will spare me the inveitability of owing my tangable life to some entity with me, both the instigator and victim and ultimately the victim of a world that simply does not care.

At that point I will either cease to live. Lord knows I have tried. Perhaps I was born too soon (as so many before me have said); perhaps I was never meant to be; regardless. it all ends on August 14, 2006.

I have been faithful; while everpresent, I can no longer reside over a kingdom full of promise but no proof; to that end, I simply do not care anymore; ultimately nothing does make sense.

I invite anyone here on this board to convince me otherwise; otherwise I invite everyone here to witness my trivial absence from these boards. I also welcome others.

Hari Kari is the preferred method: three seconds of fortitude: enough time to self-evisecerae: enough to insure I am on a one way road. From there is nothing but coldness.. and answers...and the end.

Money is never worth dying or killing over. Yeah I know people do, but that doesn't make them right.

There are always ways through these kinds of problems. Bankruptcy itself is not so bad. People recover from that and go on and lead normal productive lives. The mess you're in was a mistake or a series of mistakes and you can learn from the mistake.

Before august 14th you need to find a social worker (contact your local social services dept) or someone (salvation army?) who can help you with the specifics of how you deal with this in your country. You could even ring up the bank and say you're feeling suicidal over this debt and could they recommend someone who could help you work something out. There's no way the bank wants you topping yourself over this either.

Killing yourself has a ripple effect that does a lot worse than merely relieve you of your debt. All the people that have to clean up the mess you leave will be affected. And you don't know that after you die - that you don't go on into a situation that is even worse than the one you are trying to escape because you try to avoid dealing with your problems now. We don't know what happens after we die. So you don't know if you will be better off.

And only you can convince you of anything. You have convinced you that there is no other way. You can convince you that there is another way.

so your bankrupt?
how many people still wirritn gon this forum have allreayd been bankrupt?
dont feel shame, just move on....you should see a psycologist soon dude. this aint the forum to get that kind of help.

Bloody hell, don't give yourself the old "seppuku" treatment. For one thing, hara-kiri is the wrong term, that's just a more vulgar translation, "belly cut". And besides, apparently they did hara-kiri with two people.

On a much more serious note, don't go down that road. Do you even know whether oblivion is better than this? Of course it isn't. You are a teacher, and you are trying to teach the next generation of brats to be people. Even if you've suceeded with only one kid, you've made a difference. When I am in trouble, I do not give up, not permanently. As the song goes: "I get knocked down, but I get up again. You're never gonna keep me down."

Wobbegong is also right. Imagine the mess you'd cause for not just the bank, but for your next of kin, or your friends. Imagine them either being sad at losing a high quality friend, or pissed off at you for either abandoning them, or taking what I consider a soft option.

Ladakh its not that the world does not care about you. The world is full of problems
that keeps it busy. Your smart and you know that the number of people with money problems in this world is a number in the billions. Your not being singled out for a rare torture.
(okay it gets crazy here)There is something in the law that it is okay to break
a lesser(is that a word?) law to prevent breaking a bigger law. Thats man law
and I know you are a theist so I'm sure its God's rule to. Not paying your loan is
not a crime its a civil matter. Killing yourself has to be one of the highest crimes.
It does not make evolutionary sense and you know God would not like it. Granted a
hero may put their life in danger to save others thats not what we are talking about here. So what I'm saying if I had to rob a bank to save a mans life it gets robbed.
Sure afterwards if i can I have to pay the bank back but I did not commit a crime its a civil matter. Do not kill yourself over money.
You must be very depressed to be writing this. Are you taking any medicine for
depression? I'm taking 20 mg generic Prozac (I've been on anti-depressant 13 years).
What about the details of your money problems. Car loan?, home loan?, student?
Credit cards? Give us some idea about the problem. What happen on 8-14-06
(besides your planned death)?

ladakh

I thought of something else, I don't know how you will feel about it because I don't know your background.

If you die before the debt is paid or you declare bankruptcy, then your debt gets inherited by your next of kin (or whomever you willed your estate to if you have a will). If you point this out to them they might help you make payments and then the bank would be happy.

[quote="wobbegong.]

Killing yourself has a ripple effect that does a lot worse than merely relieve you of your debt. All the people that have to clean up the mess you leave will be affected. And you don't know that after you die - that you don't go on into a situation that is even worse than the one you are trying to escape because you try to avoid dealing with your problems now. We don't know what happens after we die. So you don't know if you will be better off. [/quote]

Well said.

I give you a task ladakh. Before you die find someone that will listen to you. If you don't have someone close, friend or family, find a priest or someone who will be interested in listening to you by trade or choise.

This is your task. Go with peace and courage, my friend.

Please don't harm yourself. Please keep talking to us here. It might seem bad now, but later you might be very glad you stayed around. A lot of us dealt with things like this. I had to live in a shelter for a while when I was raising a small child. It was awful. But it did get better. It probably will for you too, if you don't give up.

I'm sorry to hear that!

Good luck! I hope everything goes well!

Don't go to extreme lengths, such as suicide. I think suicide is a selfish thing, as it is not very nice to other family members as they would get very upset.

I personally think calling severely depressed people 'selfish' is not only ignorant but offensive.. doing so also minumalises their emotional pain which only serves to make someone feel more isolated. I have suffered from severe depression and thoughts of suicide were from feelings of desperation not self indulgence. I do not know what motivates ladakh; but I think when it comes to serious issues such as these that a certain amount of sensitivity should be shown.

If you've had family members commit suicide you'd think it was selfish too. The mess they leave for relatives is bad enough, plus there are all the unanswered questions as to why the did it, 'could we have helped?', 'why didn't they tell us?', etc.

Ladakh I thought of another reason why you should not kill yourself as I was outside
about 30 minutes ago in a pecan tree. I planted a rare apple tree right by a pecan
tree and now I need to trim on the pecan tree so the apple tree can get more light.
I was attacked by fireants (Im in Texas). I saw a few in the tree but they kept coming I was sawing like a 2" limb with a hacksaw and it was taking along time.
I had to decide if I was giving up or getting the job done. I got it done and now I
have like 50 blisters on my legs , arms and here and there (no not on my nads!).
I got a few ideas from it.

1). For one a certain amount of suffering is part of getting anything done.

2). And the part that kind of makes me mad at you(that is if you kill yourself)
is the example you would set for others depressed people here. I did not finish
high school(GED) , and I did not finish college(3years). In the last 20 years I
have worked I guess 6 years (maybe 2 years fulltime). I do not have a running
car, live with family, I bet the junk you will still have when your homeless will
make my networth look like a joke. The only people I have talked to
in real life in the last month or so is checkers at Wal-mart(few words even then).
What I'm saying your life is likely more productive than mine. If your making a
case your life has no value your saying mine has less value. And there are people
on this site that sound even more fu<K up than me. What are you telling them?

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WTF wife ! I never had a g*D D*mn girlfriend.

>>If you die before the debt is paid or you declare bankruptcy, then your debt gets inherited by your next of kin (or whomever you willed your estate to if you have a will). If you point this out to them they might help you make payments and then the bank would be happy.<<

That would be my estranged (but still legal) wife and I am sure she would be delighted to have this house and everything in it. That way, she and her boyfriend can have somewhere to go to on the weekends.

I'm 36 how old are you ladakh?

I am also 36.