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22 Apr 2011, 1:52 pm

(I think I have the correct forum here. This does fall under Activism). I can't stand it! I love my city! But I guess even we Aspergians in the Seattle area are not free of a certain evil organization that I really cannot even stand to type without getting ill. So if any of you out there happen to come accross this, and happen to be from the Western Washington State area. I need your help.
So, on Saturday, the 19th of September, 2011, their walk will be at the Seattle Center, and I think specifically by the Science Museum. Opening Ceremonies (yuk!) begin at 10:00AM. So I will be there wearing bright orange and giving them a piece of my Aspergian mind! If any of you could join me then and there, that would be great.
And even if you cannot make it or are not from the Western Washington area, you can still help me by replying with some ideas for slogans and posters. Let us stand up for our right to live and live as we are! Thank you all. -Nat


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22 Apr 2011, 1:56 pm

Wait it's Saturday the 17th. Still; be there!! ! Thanks. Bye.


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22 Apr 2011, 2:13 pm

I suggest you use the butyric acid, it has a very rancid smell.
That'll disperse them. :lol:

Slogans like:
Aspie power!
We can talk for ourselves
Autism Speaks doesn't speak for us
Go neurodiversity!
Accepting, not curing.

For symbols you could use the ribbon - http://thesituationist.files.wordpress. ... ribbon.jpg

Maybe you could get some media attention by means of interview in papers, radio, TV. Try local ones atleast. I suggest planning this upfront.


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22 Apr 2011, 2:22 pm

Wallourdes wrote:
I suggest you use the butyric acid, it has a very rancid smell.
That'll disperse them. :lol:


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The substance has ... been used as a noxious, nausea-inducing repellent ... to disrupt and harass ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyric_acid

You might want to first pay a retainer to an attorney.


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22 Apr 2011, 2:35 pm

leejosepho wrote:
Wallourdes wrote:
I suggest you use the butyric acid, it has a very rancid smell.
That'll disperse them. :lol:


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The substance has ... been used as a noxious, nausea-inducing repellent ... to disrupt and harass ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyric_acid

You might want to first pay a retainer to an attorney.


Or just don't get caught :wink:

You could always go for plausible deniability.


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22 Apr 2011, 2:53 pm

Awesome! Thanks guys! :D


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22 Apr 2011, 4:32 pm

You generally want to co-opt their event. They're going to try and co-opt your participation. Dont' let them. You be the one to co-opt them.

(And believe it or not, I mean this in a playful way. I mean this in a positive way. We have every right to be part of the trapestry of life. And we should not allow ourselves to be pushed to the side.)



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22 Apr 2011, 4:46 pm

Keep doing exactly what you're doing here, which is talking up your alternative approach. Maybe trying to start a group in your area on Meetup.com (unfortunately have to pay if you're the group leader)? Or maybe some kind of free Internet want-ads your local paper?

And once you meet some local people who self-identify as Aspie / Autism Spectrum, you've just got to ask them. And that's the hard part. You have to ask them respectfully and where it's okay for them to say no. Any kind of parade with signs, seems to have a high threshold and people just need to mull it over a long time before they feel comfortable doing it, and that just seems to be the fact of the matter.

On the positive side, you might find five other people with a lot of energy for an alternative to the regimented, parents-centric, defined-from-above approach (actually I want a political movement where both parents advocate from their children and adults on the spectrum advocate for themselves. I think that is potentially a very powerful combination.) Or just three people, you and two other people with the energy and the ability to spend 5 to 10 hours a week. Well, people move on, they get a boyfriend or girlfriend, a job starts taking more time, personal issues they feel they need to attend to. My advice, don't hold people to other than a specific short-term like next week commitment. Let people move on. Then when they have more time or wherewithal, they can come back.

And the fun part, when you talk to people give yourself permission to be nonperfectionist (and brief! I tend to be much too long)



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22 Apr 2011, 5:17 pm

I'd love to be there. I'll see if I can make arrangements. I know someone who knows the city of Seattle well and I'll see if her and my best friend will be willing to dress in orange and take part. :)


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22 Apr 2011, 8:31 pm

Wallourdes wrote:
I suggest you use the butyric acid, it has a very rancid smell.
That'll disperse them. :lol:

Slogans like:
Aspie power!
We can talk for ourselves
Autism Speaks doesn't speak for us
Go neurodiversity!
Accepting, not curing.


What about the ones who can't really talk for themselves like you can? Aspie power over who? Down with that power over the disadvantaged on the spectrum. Face it, you're not going to get them to stop the research they do.



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23 Apr 2011, 4:35 am

Wallourdes wrote:
I suggest you use the butyric acid, it has a very rancid smell.
That'll disperse them. :lol:

Slogans like:
Aspie power!
We can talk for ourselves
Autism Speaks doesn't speak for us
Go neurodiversity!
Accepting, not curing.


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What about the ones who can't really talk for themselves like you can?

It's about making people aware of the other sides of the spectrum. Yes there are the very severe cases which can't really talk for themselves but that doesn't mean that the ones who can to be seen the same way in general. There are gradations within autism.

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Aspie power over who? Down with that power over the disadvantaged on the spectrum.

This is about empowerment and positive reinforcement of aspergers' qualities in people with AS. There are ofcourse the disadvantages we all experience, but this doesn't mean you put this under a magnifying glass and solely shed a light on this - purely to stay positive and don't get pessimistic and thus wither.
People on the autistic spectrum who can't seem to speak for themselves aren't better of with people who don't know a rats ass what autism is about and still claim they do.

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Face it, you're not going to get them to stop the research they do.

Unlikely I will on my own, but with others and in time it could happen.


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23 Apr 2011, 11:32 am

Wallourdes wrote:
It's about making people aware of the other sides of the spectrum. Yes there are the very severe cases which can't really talk for themselves but that doesn't mean that the ones who can to be seen the same way in general. There are gradations within autism.


It's unlikely they're not aware of that.

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People on the autistic spectrum who can't seem to speak for themselves aren't better of with people who don't know a rats ass what autism is about and still claim they do.


They're not going to be better off with you restricting the path that would be in their interests, which includes research.

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Unlikely I will on my own, but with others and in time it could happen.

Where is the consent of others on the spectrum for stopping it?



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23 Apr 2011, 1:44 pm

dalurker wrote:

It's unlikely they're not aware of that.

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I've not noticed anything about that in practice


They're not going to be better off with you restricting the path that would be in their interests, which includes research.

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I never talked about restricting, I said leave it to people who actually know what they are talking about and Autism Speaks is far from the only party concerning autism - thus research for example can be done by others aswell.


Where is the consent of others on the spectrum for stopping it?

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Since all autistic people aren't orginized into a party, it is very hard to poll and verify consent.
I see it as an initiative, to give the concerned people involved a counterweight in the shape of the people where it's actually about.
Not saying that the intiative takers are speaking for all autistic, but atleast giving an perspective as only us 'field experts' have.


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23 Apr 2011, 3:28 pm

Sure, I'll be there. I think I'll wear that shirt that says "Autism speaks can go away. I have autism, I can speak for myself." Do they still make that shirt? If people question that I really have autism, I'll produce the papers that declare my diagnosis.

We need to make people aware that there's more then one side to this story.



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23 Apr 2011, 8:42 pm

A good start might be if parents could view stimming as "time and place" and not the worse thing in the world. And some parents do! And this is one conversation we can contribute to.



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23 Apr 2011, 9:00 pm

Alright, some suggestions:

"I worked at JC Penney's over Christmas!"

"I have a 3.2 GPA."

"I play guitar!"

"I have a wife who I love!"

"I know how to dance the waltz."

"I take dancing classes."

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That is, we let people know what we do well. So, when people consider or meet someone who is different, they will be more likely to presume competence, rather than presume incompetence.