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Dasaniman
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24 Apr 2011, 8:50 am

i know every personality is different but what about the NT and AS comparison



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24 Apr 2011, 8:54 am

NTs, in their most typical form, are obsessed with connecting. Connecting to each other in various ways and through whatever they can, usually through common interest. Socializing.



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24 Apr 2011, 9:04 am

NTs are obsessed with the Easter Bunny. ASDs are obsessed with the eggs.



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24 Apr 2011, 9:07 am

NT's generally love to spend all their time standing around chatting, connecting, making small talk, and gossiping. Anyone who does not enjoy that is seen as either mentally ill or abnormal. They rarely talk about subjects with any real substance and rattle on endlessly about the mundane aspects of their lives (such as their shopping trip for shoes on Thursday).

They seem to derive great pleasure from such activities. Why on earth they find such things so interesting I am still trying to understand.



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24 Apr 2011, 9:09 am

Catamount wrote:
NTs are obsessed with the Easter Bunny. ASDs are obsessed with the eggs.


And sometimes it's really just all about the chocolate!



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24 Apr 2011, 9:14 am

NTs are top down thinkers while aspies process bottom-up. NTs tend to see generalizations first and then break them down to get the details. Aspies are more detail-oriented. They piece together all the details to eventually come up with a bigger picture.



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24 Apr 2011, 9:15 am

NTs are top down thinkers while aspies process bottom-up. NTs tend to see generalizations first and then break them down to get the details. Aspies are more detail-oriented. They piece together all the details to eventually come up with a bigger picture.



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24 Apr 2011, 10:38 am

There is no exact difference.


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24 Apr 2011, 11:02 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
There is no exact difference.


That.

Or there may be an exact difference, but as like as not it's one of those things that doesn't have an equivalent outside of the language of specialists. One of those things that seems tiny and insignificant but shows up on specialized testing, only to create much larger issues as the effects of that difference ripple through the mind.


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24 Apr 2011, 11:16 am

NTs think with the masses and aspies have their own minds.


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24 Apr 2011, 11:23 am

I don't think there's a definitive answer. There's such as variation of thinking among NTs, and based on what I've seen on these forums, the same is true for people with AS.



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24 Apr 2011, 11:48 am

psychopaths focus on singular abstract objectives without regards to the means or morality of attaining it. (Their behavior is either perfectly random, or perfectly constant, such as a constant monotone voice regardless of emotions)

AS focus only on things in their immediate space or objectives they are interested in. (It's pretty much the same type of behavior in every situation).

NTs look at behavior as a personal mode of operating that requires shift in gears, or changes in objectives as the situation requires (there is a specific behavior for every specific situation, and some types of behaviors are not tolerated under certain situations).


A psychopath would like to be a police officer because of the authoritative power of the position.
An AS would like to be a police officer because he/she likes the uniform that they wear.
An NT would like to be a police officer because it's a means to earn money.

I thing the big deal with the different types of neurological functioning is how people look at things. For NTs small talk, fashion, degrees, etc are all means to an end. If they can get to the end without the means, then they'll take the short cut, but other than that, they religiously obey social customs. Behavior serves primarily to bolster one's social or financial standing. AS on the other, study things for the sole purpose of knowing and they enjoying knowing it, whether it's financial worth knowing or not.



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24 Apr 2011, 12:28 pm

pascalflower wrote:
psychopaths focus on singular abstract objectives without regards to the means or morality of attaining it. (Their behavior is either perfectly random, or perfectly constant, such as a constant monotone voice regardless of emotions)

AS focus only on things in their immediate space or objectives they are interested in. (It's pretty much the same type of behavior in every situation).

NTs look at behavior as a personal mode of operating that requires shift in gears, or changes in objectives as the situation requires (there is a specific behavior for every specific situation, and some types of behaviors are not tolerated under certain situations).


A psychopath would like to be a police officer because of the authoritative power of the position.
An AS would like to be a police officer because he/she likes the uniform that they wear.
An NT would like to be a police officer because it's a means to earn money.

I thing the big deal with the different types of neurological functioning is how people look at things. For NTs small talk, fashion, degrees, etc are all means to an end. If they can get to the end without the means, then they'll take the short cut, but other than that, they religiously obey social customs. Behavior serves primarily to bolster one's social or financial standing. AS on the other, study things for the sole purpose of knowing and they enjoying knowing it, whether it's financial worth knowing or not.


When I tried to get degrees, they were a means to an end and not the end itself. I tried to take actions to bolster my financial (although rarely my social) standing. I pretty much always looked for work because it's a means to earn money, because I do not, in practical terms, like to starve or have the clothes rot off my back, and I enjoy having a place to live. The work I did do was work I enjoyed and relevant to my interests, but I did it both because it was relevant to my interests and because I needed the money.

I can't really pin down exact differences between my thinking and NT thinking (I wasn't even, until recently, aware of differences). I know there are differences and this creates strife even when I ask people to accommodate those differences in fairly simple ways, and these clashes tend to be along practical lines, along lines involving my social understanding, along lines involving my organizational abilities, and so on. What I don't find is that I necessarily only want different things than NTs want. I mean, sure, I don't really want friends or a relationship the same way they do, but I do like having friends. I also like being able to afford my own expenses. I like to have expertise in the work and hobbies I choose to do. I like to have the independence to choose how I live my life and how I present myself. I share many many traits in common with some (but not all) neurotypicals, it is just that how I go about expressing those traits and doing things and trying to meet my goals, and so on, are indelibly colored by AS, as well as ADHD.

I mean, there are pretty obvious (now) things such as social obliviousness and other symptoms of both conditions, and I really do focus on details to build toward a bigger picture, and I have so many traits that are obviously to me now autistic, but I feel like there's this urge to say well, if you're autistic you're entirely separate from NTs, and I don't think that's true.



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24 Apr 2011, 12:51 pm

It is very difficult to say, because it is almost impossible to know how other person thinks.

A point - some difference that were presented in this thread seems to do more with different emotions or preferences than exactly with different ways of thinking.

Also, there is one of the questions were is useful to exactly know what NT is supposed to mean (if it means "non-autistic" the answer will be different if it means "person without any neurological or mental condition").



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24 Apr 2011, 1:43 pm

pascalflower wrote:
A psychopath would like to be a police officer because of the authoritative power of the position.
An AS would like to be a police officer because he/she likes the uniform that they wear.
An NT would like to be a police officer because it's a means to earn money.



Haha! :lol: My brother is always telling me that I've been obsessed with uniforms since I was a kid. Let's see ... Catholic Schools, cub scouts, baseball teams and almost 20 years as a cop. And now I'm thinking of retiring and getting a job with the Post Office. They have really cool uniforms. :oops:



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24 Apr 2011, 1:54 pm

Honestly, I have no idea how different AS and NT people's thinking methods are. I can only assume it is the opposite of AS thought, and since the vast range of how people just underneath that umbrella specifically think...I have no clue.

I know that I think very object-centered (I highly enjoy art/tech which is "brightly"-colored and happy in my head while anything else other than that is "gray"-coloured in my head- so I don't pay attention to it). A certain type of NT may consider everything on the same level in terms of enjoyment.


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