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28 Apr 2011, 6:55 am

http://www.drmaciver.com/2011/04/a-perf ... ng-system/

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Here it is: MPs run as they currently do – a smallish number of candidates stand for a single constituency. People cast a vote as they currently do – each selects a single candidate to cast their vote for. Once all of the votes have been cast, you pick one voter at random and use their choice.

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28 Apr 2011, 7:05 am

That's just weird. Politics is too important to be left to a completely random choice.

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28 Apr 2011, 7:14 am

Russian roulette lol only kidding, theres no perfect voting system. AV & PR as I feel there the best out of the lot of them.

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28 Apr 2011, 7:20 am

It looks like AV is going to lose out to FPTP in the referendum based on the last polling that i heard. Disappointing.

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28 Apr 2011, 7:20 am

jamieboy wrote:

That's just weird. Politics is too important to be left to a completely random choice.

I'm quite keen on weird and random

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28 Apr 2011, 7:22 am

Moog wrote:

jamieboy wrote:

That's just weird. Politics is too important to be left to a completely random choice.

I'm quite keen on weird and random

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28 Apr 2011, 7:23 am

There is also a problem if the people standing for election actively become more and more extreme with time.

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28 Apr 2011, 7:50 am

Tequila wrote:

There is also a problem if the people standing for election actively become more and more extreme with time.

Extreme as in claiming expenses for porn and duck houses?

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28 Apr 2011, 10:50 am

Arrow's Theorem. There are no perfectly fair voting systems. None.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_im ... ty_theorem

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28 Apr 2011, 12:38 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Arrow's Theorem. There are no perfectly fair voting systems. None.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_im ... ty_theorem

The suggestion in the original post meets all the criteria except "nondictatorship", which is a somewhat arbitrary criterion specifically designed to exclude that possibility.

Normally we'd think of dictatorships as nondemocratic, but for parlaimentary positions, when we could expect the random selection to average out over the entire body, it might be workable.

No, I don't think anyone will choose it. It's still an interesting concept, though.

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28 Apr 2011, 1:29 pm

I like the "jury duty" model for elections.

Everyone who's eligible (citizen, over 18, not currently in jail, what have you) has a chance of being picked randomly to serve on your city council/county council/state or provincial legislature/federal legislature or parliament. Those chosen then have to work together within the framework of a constitution and existing laws to figure out how to run things.

Sounds crazy, but it just might work. If you like SF, Kim Stanley Robinson's "Mars Trilogy" (the three novels Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars) outline a hypothetical society of Mars colonists from Earth who do indeed implement such a system. (I think it's mostly in Green Mars where it's discussed, but I haven't read them in a while and don't remember for sure.)

It's a great way to avoid partisan bickering and extremism, at least.

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28 Apr 2011, 5:10 pm

cdfox7 wrote:

Tequila wrote:

There is also a problem if the people standing for election actively become more and more extreme with time.

Extreme as in claiming expenses for porn and duck houses?

Both perfectly good things, better when had together

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28 Apr 2011, 5:12 pm

STV is probably the best voting system.

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28 Apr 2011, 5:17 pm

We are about to re-enter this debate here, currently an MMP system.

STV appeals to me, although I think any system works in as much as people want to work together for the common good, when they don't I don't think any systemic option acts as a solution

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28 Apr 2011, 5:28 pm

ryan93 wrote:

cdfox7 wrote:

Tequila wrote:

There is also a problem if the people standing for election actively become more and more extreme with time.

Extreme as in claiming expenses for porn and duck houses?

Both perfectly good things, better when had together

Did you enjoy you free cheese your government given out to keep the people of Ireland happy? :wink:

Politicans can pay for there own porn and duck houses out of there own pockets thanks

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28 Apr 2011, 6:33 pm

jamieboy wrote:

That's just weird. Politics is too important to be left to a completely random choice.

Random would actually work great if the authorities were elected for only one month or some short period.

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