Angst: Do I or don't I have aspgergs?
Long ago I discovered this site and learned about the disorder of Aspergers. I entered this sort internal conflict if I had or not; I think many people on this site are in the same conflict and judging by their posts and my experience working with students on the spectrum I believe most of those in this conflict do not have the disorder. I know I'm not the expert but I hope most people consider my post and my explanation.
If you' were like me you decided that seeing a psychologist to help you get diagnosed would be unhelpful because you've mentioned it to other people and they've dismissed and gave you general life platitudes that didn't apply to your situation. I considered things like natural introversion and social anxiety yet still they felt incomplete. I like some people on this site worried over the littlest signs that I had Aspergers, other problems and even worried I was a sociopath. There is a million reasons why you might be exhibiting symptoms like on the spectrum from physiological to sleep deprivation to other disorders.
However I think I have found the cause for many people on this site and I really hope it's helpful. It's called Purely Obsessional OCD. The social problems you're having could just simply be poor social skills/social anxiety or X but I have this feeling that many people still have an angst over a larger issue that's affecting them. An obsession with solving it and an obsession believing there is a problem, so maybe this will solve it for you.
Symptoms of Pure Obsessional OCD vary widely from person to person. Some examples of common obsessions seen in Pure Obsessional OCD are:
intrusive thoughts or mental images of killing ones spouse, parent, child, or self
recurrent fear of molesting a child (sometimes called "pedophile OCD" or "POCD")
repeatedly worrying that one has or will physically assault another person or run over a pedestrian while driving a car
excessive fears that one might accidentally cause harm to other people (i.e., burning down the house, unknowingly poisoning others, inadvertantly exposing others to toxic chemicals)
repetitive thoughts that one has said or written something inappropriate, such as swearing at ones employer or writing hate-filled letters to a friend
recurrent fears that one might be a homosexual, when in fact he or she is not (sometimes called "gay ocd" or "HOCD")
intrusive thoughts or mental images that one considers to be sacrilegious or blasphemous, such as wanting to worship Satan or have sex with Christ.
repeatedly thinking about benign somatic issues such as breathing, swallowing, blinking, eye "floaters", ringing in the ears, digestion, etc.
Here is some more information.
http://www.ocdla.com/obsessionalOCD.html
http://www.ocduk.org/pdf/Pure-O.pdf
http://www.ocdonline.com/articlephillipson1.php
No that's a really mean thing to say. You didn't consider or read anything I said.
I know what's it like to when people tell you don't have a disorder when you do(I myself having adhd) but on the other hand I also recognize people everywhere can worry about having a disorder when they don't. So please if you disagree don't be troll with disrespectful comments.
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I know what's it like to when people tell you don't have a disorder when you do(I myself having adhd) but on the other hand I also recognize people everywhere can worry about having a disorder when they don't. So please if you disagree don't be troll with disrespectful comments.
Taking your post seriously, you have no logical or academic grounds to base it on. In fact, experts and research show that most self-dx'd aspies are likely to be correct about their diagnosis. Plus from how you describe it Pure Obsessional OCD has very little in common with Aspergers and thus it's very unlikely a person who has Pure Obsessional OCD would misdiagnose themselves with AS.
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I think you'll find conflict and cognitive dissonence go hand in hand with many autistics, I'm certain I'm autistic but i wasn't sure 5 months ago, that doesn#t mean that, 5 months ago, that I was not certain means little.
But it's true of some other problems I've been having, I suspected I had disorganised schizophrenia for a long while, but I decided I wasn't quite disorganised and confused enough/often enough.
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I'm providing a different explanation that's plausible and might explain why self-diagnoised aspies can't get their diagnosis confirmed anywhere else. I have seen countless members on this site desperately strive to confirm it by taking online tests, going to different psychologists and going to universities to get even more advance testing. When the result is always the same, they don't have aspgergs. So let's say that's true and so they stick it to because its makes the most sense yet is still completely wrong. That's not healthy. I never insulted anyone like you 2 have done to me or told them that they were wrong like you have done to me. I tried to provide another explanation in hopes that those it might apply would be helpful. Well at least I tried.
http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php offers a very lengthy questionnaire to see how your responses compare to other Aspies (this calculated results also touch on bipolar, OCD, ADHD, and dyslexic traits as well). IMO, if you can't get diagnosed, it's a good way to see if your mind has Aspieish qualities.
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I think OCD is pretty easy to rule out.
What I mean is that it seems to be defined almost entirely by intrusive thoughts, and the anxiety that if you do not do a particular thing, something bad will happen. And I mean I know people who have this in spades who do not qualify for an OCD diagnosis. The idea of this as something that could be an alternative to AS is interesting, but I don't recall many people describing OCD-sounding problems when they can't get diagnosed.
There should be more information about possible other diagnoses, though, so people know what else to investigate. I've found bits and pieces all over the place, some of which I stumbled across some of which was conveniently located on a webpage devoted to discussing diagnoses in depth, including possible misdiagnoses and things to rule out.
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I wasn't insulting you - in my first post I wrote that I found your suggestion about self diagnosed aspies offensive IF you were a troll (the timing your topic appeared at, and the way you wrote the topic, made it appear to be very much like you were trolling) and if you weren't a troll (which I'm assuming now you're not) I apologized in advance for misunderstanding your intentions. Not once did I personally insult you, I just stated that IF you were trolling I felt offended by your comments.
In my second post, I apologize if I came across as insulting, you'd said previously that the previous poster "didn't consider or read anything you said", so as you weren't trolling I reread through your post much more carefully, considered it, and wrote down my opinion, thinking that's what you wanted.
I'm sorry that I have hurt your feelings, as I assure you that wasn't my intention.
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Perhaps it's just me, I'm a newbie, but I've looked at quite a few threads, and I honestly don't think I've read even one single post by anyone worried to the point of obsession over whether they might have Asperger's syndrome, as if that were the worst thing in the world, like killing someone, molesting a child, burning down the house, or worshipping Satan! What I think I have seen is plenty of posts by people expressing rational, measured (and often enough apologetic) uncertainty as to whether, or how much, the diagnosis in question might apply to them. I'm sorry, but I find the suggestion in the OP simply ridiculous, and almost insulting, even if not intentionally so .. but ... oh, my God! ... what if I have got Pure Obsessional OCD? That's terrible! Do you think I should get a diagnosis?
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Almost certainly not Aspie, but certainly something like it
If you' were like me you decided that seeing a psychologist to help you get diagnosed would be unhelpful because you've mentioned it to other people and they've dismissed and gave you general life platitudes that didn't apply to your situation. I considered things like natural introversion and social anxiety yet still they felt incomplete. I like some people on this site worried over the littlest signs that I had Aspergers, other problems and even worried I was a sociopath. There is a million reasons why you might be exhibiting symptoms like on the spectrum from physiological to sleep deprivation to other disorders.
However I think I have found the cause for many people on this site and I really hope it's helpful. It's called Purely Obsessional OCD. The social problems you're having could just simply be poor social skills/social anxiety or X but I have this feeling that many people still have an angst over a larger issue that's affecting them. An obsession with solving it and an obsession believing there is a problem, so maybe this will solve it for you.
Symptoms of Pure Obsessional OCD vary widely from person to person. Some examples of common obsessions seen in Pure Obsessional OCD are:
intrusive thoughts or mental images of killing ones spouse, parent, child, or self
recurrent fear of molesting a child (sometimes called "pedophile OCD" or "POCD")
repeatedly worrying that one has or will physically assault another person or run over a pedestrian while driving a car
excessive fears that one might accidentally cause harm to other people (i.e., burning down the house, unknowingly poisoning others, inadvertantly exposing others to toxic chemicals)
repetitive thoughts that one has said or written something inappropriate, such as swearing at ones employer or writing hate-filled letters to a friend
recurrent fears that one might be a homosexual, when in fact he or she is not (sometimes called "gay ocd" or "HOCD")
intrusive thoughts or mental images that one considers to be sacrilegious or blasphemous, such as wanting to worship Satan or have sex with Christ.
repeatedly thinking about benign somatic issues such as breathing, swallowing, blinking, eye "floaters", ringing in the ears, digestion, etc.
Here is some more information.
http://www.ocdla.com/obsessionalOCD.html
http://www.ocduk.org/pdf/Pure-O.pdf
http://www.ocdonline.com/articlephillipson1.php
Because I'm sure that you're the psychology expert round here.
/sarcasm