I've read about neanderthal and came crasy idea to me..

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14 May 2011, 1:22 pm

Was that there is only one prove that homo sapient and neanderthals met.. little neanderthal genetic in some modern human.
And come idea me that I'm NT neanderthal in behavior, maybe i look little like those neanderthals in pictures. Some scientists think neanderthals disappeared before 25 000 years ago, some before 40 000 years ago. Yes, that explanation about asperger syndrome describe me.. but i whole day can't avoid think that i have neanderthal genes, whole day obsession with that mind. :roll:



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14 May 2011, 1:29 pm

I read about the theory before, that a lot of autistic traits are similar to neadertal traits, but I don't buy it.


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14 May 2011, 1:30 pm

Neanderthal isn't the only explanation.

Recent evidence actually shows a primate family tree leading up to humans that is very branched (some human-like species died out, some branched off, etc). Think of it as nature experimenting with the human form and brain.

It could be possible that autistics are a modern day offshoot (and by modern day, I mean several thousands of years old). It could very well be that nature is still experimenting (that's an analogy, by the way).


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14 May 2011, 1:32 pm

Wow, i have never read about it, idea came after read clear about neanderthals only, no connection to asperger, can you send me link? It is surprise for me.



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14 May 2011, 1:33 pm

Somehow, the thought that I'm a neanderthal that's never been in a fistfight before doesn't tickle my fancy. Besides, neanderthals were short and strong. I'm tall and skinny.



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14 May 2011, 1:38 pm

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Somehow, the thought that I'm a neanderthal that's never been in a fistfight before doesn't tickle my fancy. Besides, neanderthals were short and strong. I'm tall and skinny.

Man can look like one his or her ancestor and have behavior like another his ancestor, we have lot of ancestors.



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14 May 2011, 1:55 pm

I somehow like the idea of the Asperger's Syndrome being actually a more primitive, or to be precise, primal state of mind. Many Aspies (including me) have very acute senses, and can see small details with high precision, yet often fail to see the big picture. Many of us have very fast reflexes, and like one of my threads has shown, there is a reasonable amount of Aspies who are ambidextrous, or at least don't have much difference between using either hand. To me, this translates to bringing good prerequisites for a being a successful hunter. Being able to see small details enables you to see the movement of your prey with ease while zoning out the surroundings. Quick reaction is self explanatory for this task. The inability to judge emotions by facial expression is again something that is common in animals. Body posture plays an equal, if not bigger role in recognizing another's emotional state than the expression on his face (think of dogs: sure, strong emotions can be read in their faces, but they do alot over their posture. Many Aspies do not have problems interpreting obvious facial expressions, just the subtle ones).
Having strong special interests is, again, something that only comes as a detriment in today's society. In a primitive society of hunters, there where not many skills necessary for survival, and the ability to focus on these, again, seems benefitial for survival.
Don't wanna claim anything, but I had the same idea as OP when seeing a report about the neanderthal man on TV some time ago.



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14 May 2011, 2:04 pm

For some reason, this bothers me.



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14 May 2011, 2:38 pm

Someone took Autistic Traits and correlated them to what they thought might be beneficial to survival for Neanderthrals. One example is walking on one's tip toes seen in some autistic people was seen by the author of the theory as the equivalency of being able to successfully sneak up on prey when hunting in Neanderthral times.

The application of this type of correlation to me is more like the Neanderthrals evolved from Autistics today than Autistics kept traits from Neanderthrals. There is no hard evidence to support any of these Autistic trait correlations with Neanderthrals, but it makes for an interesting theory.

Paleontologists state that Neanderthrals were extremely robust; much more powerful than homo sapiens sapiens. They hunted in groups and used crude weapons to bring down massive mammals like mammoths. Alpha male status was important in reproductive success. And the ability to cooperate within a social unit was the difference between life and death. There is also evidence of ritualized burial ceremonies within their groups.

There is not much more than that to be learned from the fossil record. So, there is no way the Neanderthral theory can be proved or disproved without a genetic study specific to Autistics; no one that I know of takes backs the theory up in the scientific community, so I doubt it is likely a study like that will be undertaken.

However, the same individual that came up with the theory, also came up with the Aspie quiz which I think is a good suggestive test of Asperger traits within the general population. There is quite a bit of terminology like "Aspie Hunting traits" that I could not figure out the orgination of until I read the Neanderthral theory. It made me question the validity of what I see as an otherwise useful test, but I think the author sincerely believes in the validity of the Neanderthral theory; I don't see any evidence to back that part of it up.

I have a degree in Anthropology, and worked a short while in the archaelogy research; Neanderthrals were one of my special interests.

If one googles Neaderthral theory of Autism there is a full account of the theory on the author's website.



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14 May 2011, 2:45 pm

I don't find that primitive. It is like homo sapient evolute in modern NT man, same in some of us evolute neanderthal in modern aspie man. I don't find that bad, just different.

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I somehow like the idea of the Asperger's Syndrome being actually a more primitive, or to be precise, primal state of mind. Many Aspies (including me) have very acute senses, and can see small details with high precision, yet often fail to see the big picture. Many of us have very fast reflexes, and like one of my threads has shown, there is a reasonable amount of Aspies who are ambidextrous, or at least don't have much difference between using either hand. To me, this translates to bringing good prerequisites for a being a successful hunter. Being able to see small details enables you to see the movement of your prey with ease while zoning out the surroundings. Quick reaction is self explanatory for this task. The inability to judge emotions by facial expression is again something that is common in animals. Body posture plays an equal, if not bigger role in recognizing another's emotional state than the expression on his face (think of dogs: sure, strong emotions can be read in their faces, but they do alot over their posture. Many Aspies do not have problems interpreting obvious facial expressions, just the subtle ones).
Having strong special interests is, again, something that only comes as a detriment in today's society. In a primitive society of hunters, there where not many skills necessary for survival, and the ability to focus on these, again, seems benefitial for survival.
Don't wanna claim anything, but I had the same idea as OP when seeing a report about the neanderthal man on TV some time ago.



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14 May 2011, 2:45 pm

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY NEANDERTHALL HERE. i thought people would think i was crazy if i said it. i have some roots back to little john, who was one of the last neanderthals.



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14 May 2011, 3:30 pm

Me something other came in my mind.. Oooh, Noo, my grand... grand.. grand ..grand ..ma ...had something with handsome neanderthal, but she had homo sapient husband and said him he is father of baby: my grand... grand .. grand...pa...

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I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY NEANDERTHALL HERE. i thought people would think i was crazy if i said it. i have some roots back to little john, who was one of the last neanderthals.



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14 May 2011, 3:41 pm

ok ill post something more factual now I've got over the fact that this is an established theory i never knew. background info on neanderthals.

they lived in small groups of 3-5 instead of 25-30 like modern humans did.

they also lived on glaciers in the ice age, tribes had to diffuse themselves over a large area to find food, therefore neanderthals had to communicate with repetitive movements that could be seen from a distance.

there were very few animals to hunt on the ice so neanderthals were strictly vegetarian. they did not hunt so they had to memorize where all the food bearing plants were in the landscape. This accounts for good spatial skills. Also autistic people are overwhelmed by loud noise because the place that they lived in was very quiet, whereas the NT's were out hunting and making noise. also, predators have their eyes towards the front of their heads and they look each other in the eye, animals that do not eat meat don't do this.



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14 May 2011, 4:15 pm

nikoa wrote:
Wow, i have never read about it, idea came after read clear about neanderthals only, no connection to asperger, can you send me link? It is surprise for me.


I'm really tired and I need a nap, so as an example, I give you this:

http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/gw/hu ... oster2.jpg

If you want more info, just Google: Hominid evolution.


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14 May 2011, 4:41 pm

Thank you Mr Lonny.

My appearance is also unusual. I look much younger, than other people on my age, i have strange hair who is still dark and very thick, neither one white hair. My bones are very wide and i have much kg, but i look like i have 20 kg less. I look at directly in eyes people, but like sleepy, like little absent, my neck isn't short, but like has different position than in other people and it is like i have shorter one, also my neck is like wider than in other people and I'm not tall, 168 sm.



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14 May 2011, 4:57 pm

starryeyedvoyager wrote:
I somehow like the idea of the Asperger's Syndrome being actually a more primitive, or to be precise, primal state of mind. Many Aspies (including me) have very acute senses, and can see small details with high precision, yet often fail to see the big picture. Many of us have very fast reflexes, and like one of my threads has shown, there is a reasonable amount of Aspies who are ambidextrous, or at least don't have much difference between using either hand. To me, this translates to bringing good prerequisites for a being a successful hunter. Being able to see small details enables you to see the movement of your prey with ease while zoning out the surroundings. Quick reaction is self explanatory for this task. The inability to judge emotions by facial expression is again something that is common in animals. Body posture plays an equal, if not bigger role in recognizing another's emotional state than the expression on his face (think of dogs: sure, strong emotions can be read in their faces, but they do alot over their posture. Many Aspies do not have problems interpreting obvious facial expressions, just the subtle ones).
Having strong special interests is, again, something that only comes as a detriment in today's society. In a primitive society of hunters, there where not many skills necessary for survival, and the ability to focus on these, again, seems benefitial for survival.
Don't wanna claim anything, but I had the same idea as OP when seeing a report about the neanderthal man on TV some time ago.


That's very interesting. There could be some truth to that, but I'm only speculating here.


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