Baby fags

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One of the most discusting thing in the world is pregnant women who smoke. In essence the baby is smoking as well. This can stunt the baby's growth. The baby certainly has'nt got a choice. I know some pregnant women are good enough to give it up. It is also very bad that parents smoke in front of there children especially in a car in a confined space. I think anyone who defends smokers is of low moral fibre and on a lower level on consciousness. It is amazing like the fox hunting how they look for every excuse under the sun to justify there actions. Why post a topic on smoking. It is something that effects me. My granfather died of lung cancer at the age of 61yrs.This is a discussion forum.

My older sister has quadriplegic cerebral palsy because of all the crap her biological mother did. Now she has severe learning disabilities and it's a struggle for her to even write or hold a cup. The good thing is that the mom was incapable of raising a disabled child, so my parents adopted her in infancy. She's much better off here than with a drug mom.

I would change the title.


Pregnant smokers piss me off too. I was over at Babycenter and I have seen posts by pregger smokers and they have all said that their doctors told them to not quit cold turkey or it puts stress on them due to their depression or past depression and stress isn't good for the baby. But some women do quit cold turkey and their babies turned out fine. I have anxiety and my baby turned out fine. Sure some babies turn out fine when their bio moms smoked but those are just the lucky ones. I still wouldn't risk it. Quitting smoking gives women better willpower to quit because they are more motivated because they want a healthy baby. Same as some women with eating disorders who all of a sudden don't have them anymore once they find out they are expecting because they want a healthy baby.

My sister in law smoked (I think she still does) but she quit cold turkey with both her kids and she doesn't smoke around them.

I also think it's selfish to smoke around your kids and should be considered child abuse. I think they should never smoke indoors when they have kids and they should do it outside, never in the house or in the car.

Yes I agree that people should'nt smoke around kids but also should'nt smoke around non smoking adults as well. I find it annoying when you see school children smoking. They think that it will make them grow up faster but if anything it will do the opposite.

I would change that title, too. It gives the wrong idea.

On smoking, I really feel disturbed when I see pregnant women smoking or drinking alcohol. Children who inhale second hand smoke end up with respiratory ailments. Worse, they end up smoking cigarettes too. Sometimes they think it makes them look cool, and they start very young. Because of growing up around heavy second hand smoke, if I so much as get a whiff of cigarette smoke my throat gets scratchy. If exposed to it for hours, I end up getting a sinus infection.

Smoking makes my allergies even worse than they already are, but that's besides the point of this topic.

Yes, it is terrible, I believe it to be one of the most selfish things someone can do. About the not going cold turkey because the stress is not bad either, I do have two awfully simple solutions:
- Don't get pregnant, condoms and anti-conception aren't that expensive.
- Quit a year before you get pregnant. You should be through the depression and stress when you do get pregnant.

I am a smoker so I guess I am even lower on the moral fibre and even on an even lower lever of consciousness whatever that means. I suppose you assume I think its fine to smoke while pregnant.........but I think smoking while pregnant is a terrible thing to do. If I ever did decide I wanted a baby I would stop.....I would not smoke while pregnant. So yes I agree with your larger point, but I am getting a little sick of people assuming I am a terrible person for what I choose to do with my own body.

Same goes with drinking and any other drugs that could harm the baby.

I also agree that the title needs to be changed.

15 Years ago when I found out that my mum smoked and drank beer when she was pregnant with both my sister and I, my jaw dropped to the ground. If my mum didn't smoke or drink when I was in her womb, I would have weighed more than 6 lbs when I was born and I would have had AS, instead of HFA. It took me fiften minutes to get over the shock and dissapointment. I can't change what she did and neither can she, so I've long since forgiven her.

I'm also a lot more mature and accepting of my autism, as well.

Seriously though, smoking during pregnancy would be one of the few things I would feel strongly about (that and taking illegal drugs)- I don't have an issue if the mum has the occasional glass of wine, or god forbid doesn't want to breastfeed (oh the horror) but smoking is a different ball game.

Please don't be too hard on those mothers who are unable to quit completely when pregnant. For some it is easy, but it is a very strong addiction. My daughter tried hard but was unable to do better than restrict it to a couple of cigarettes a day, which is a lot better than doing nothing. She still smokes outside the house. My mother didn't quit until all of us were born, and my dad didn't quit for good until he'd had a heart attack in his sixties. There are six of us offspring, all non-smokers. We don't have any of the horrible side effects I have read about; I don't think AS is one of them, LOL. It's inaccurate to characterize smoking as a moral failing. It's also inaccurate to say that smoking parents WILL have smoking children. Or that non-smoking parents won't. I never smoked, and my husband quit when our daughter was 3. My older 2 smoke, the youngest does not. They are all adults now.

The same people who say, just quit cold turkey, are probably also the ones who say, just go on a diet and lose that weight. Easy to say, hard to do. Things are always more complicated than that when involving living beings. I do agree that one should not drink when pregnant, or smoke, or eat food full of artificial chemicals, or...you get the drift. But in real life it's never that simple, and it is wrong to be too judgmental when people are unable to achieve the ideal.

fag=ciggerette, so I think the title is fine.

Fair point. I wasn't really thinking about women who wanted to quit when I posted- in my mind was someone who just didn't give a damn. I would try not to judge people who really were trying to kick the habit.

I congratulate people who quite smoking. People who are trying to quite need all the encouragement they can get.

That's because you are American. Every now and then someone from the UK rings the US Customs to ask how many fags they can bring into the US.

The UK Daily Mail (I washed my hands afterwards) ran this a couple of days ago - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... ghter.html

I'd laugh at her ignorance if it wasn't so sad.

But there is another meaning of fag, and, in a large portion of the English speaking world, that meaning is the ONLY meaning of fag. So, even if we know fag = cigarette some places, it's not what first comes to mind for a lot of folks.

PLUS...

"Baby fags" makes more sense with the homosexual meaning of the word than with the cigarette meaning.

baby cigarettes? What, are we talking itty bitty ones instead of the normal size ones? What the heck does it mean? How do you get "baby cigarettes" (to substitute the more universal word) as a label for talking about smoking while pregnant? It doesn't make sense. And using fag instead of cigarette makes it worse.

Obviously there was a little mischief in the mind of whoever titled this thread.