1st thing women notice about other women is how FAT they are

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Bad news for lesbians :-/

Any mention of what men notice?

depressing...i don't notice any of this things first, and so they are not high priorities for me in my own appearance either. other women must not think very highly of me...

i don't really understand this whole thing of judging people based on their appearance when you've never even spoken to them. i feel neutral towards people until i have spoken to them and determined whether they seem alright.

Yes, it's very sad women are taught to constantly beauty-contest themselves against other women,
and that fat on a female is considered so taboo in modern society.

What they don't say is whether women judge other women's fat positively or negatively. They just said "women noticed" but they didn't say what women do with this information. They just assumed that women judge it negatively. If one woman looks at another woman and forms an opinion in seconds that "she is slightly heavier than me", that may cause her to actually like the woman more and react more positively to her.

I have noticed that context means a lot. Let's take my lunch room at work. A bunch of us women are sitting around eating lunch. Somebody brings out a celebrity magazine and everyone starts passing judgement on the famous women (yup, me too). Women who are very thin are judged harshly. Women who have historically been called beautiful movie stars but recently gained weight will be judged very harshly. Women who have famously and loudly battled obesity and sometimes are thin and sometimes are fat and sometimes are in between will be judged very gently (Kirstie Ally, Oprah Winfrey). Women who are very curvy and neither thin not fat but simply...curvy... will be judged enviously "I wish I looked like that" (Kim Kardashian, Kate Winslet).

So there is a whole lot of weight judgement going on but it is very situational.


I did it myself in another thread. Ricky5 posted a pic of a group of overweight women

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf163164-0-15.html

My instantaneous thought was that 4 of the women were so overweight they looked actually scary- nearly mutated with extra weight. But the redhead in the pink bikini looked merely plump. Put her next to women who are thin and I would think she was far fatter. Perhaps she herself enjoyed standing next to the 3 larger women because she could think "I am the thinnest one here". Perhaps she judged their fat favorably because it made her feel thin.

All in all, I agree that women notice weight first (it was after I noticed their collective weights that I noticed their hair and swimsuits). But how women are processing this information is another thing entirely. And I think it is entirely contextual, something too subtle for a "did you notice this characteristic?" study to even pick up on.

That doesn't bother me.

I usually notice women's hair and clothes first. That is because I like textures.

My sister would always complain about sexism and body image and other feminist drivel, yet the first thing she would notice about such and such a celebrity or TV/movie character is "She isn't that pretty" "She is kind of fat" etc. So of course when women are whining about things like that (and I distinguish between whining and simply pointing things out) they just want to corner their own little section of the world. This of course is true of anyone that excessively complains about any problem outside of their direct control.

This is true - whenever me and my mum are in the car, she's the first to point out women who are fat. "Ooh, look at her, she's got a big fat arse!"

And I'm like… "What? Where's that then?"

But by that time we've passed the spectacle and a chance of having a sneaky little perv.

obvy taught because it varies from culture to culture /from one time period to the next

I'm trying to think what I notice first but it's hard to pinpoint... I shall try to figure it out suring the course of tomorrow

oh- i was talking about the fat thing not the beauty contest thing...