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Vexcalibur
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21 Jul 2011, 12:47 am

This is a message of love!

http://www.christianpost.com/news/can-c ... ate-52570/

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The definition of love is not that you let people do whatever they want.”

So, we don't hate you, we just hate what you do.

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"The essence of love,” he added, “is to desire the best for someone, and to act to bring that about. And I would argue that's what we think we're doing."
So, thanks to big bro Christianity , gays can be glad that they will not be able to marry, they may not understand it right now, but it is the best for them.

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Sprigg also emphasized that he wants to see homosexuals spared from any harm, particularly emphasizing physical harm from health concerns like the AIDS epidemic. He does think, however, that Christians should make their motives clear about the issue.

Everyone knows heterosexual sex is free of such risks as AIDS, so, let's all be straight!

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According to a 2007 Barna Group study, 91 percent of young non-Christians said present-day Christianity is “anti-homosexual” and that Christians show “excessive contempt and unloving attitudes towards gays and lesbians.” A majority of young churchgoers also held this sentiment.

Overall, Americans give the church a low grade when it comes to how it handles the issue of homosexuality.

A Public Religion Research Institute study last year found that more than 4-in-10 Americans gave religious organizations a “D” (18 percent) or an “F” (24 percent) in their handling of homosexuality. Four-in-10 Americans also said they believe that the messages coming from places of worship contribute “a lot” to negative perceptions of gay and lesbian people.

Those poor kids, they don't get it!

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But what worries Greg Quinlan, president of the Pro-Family Network, is that many Christians aren't standing in opposition to gay marriage for the sake of getting along with those on the other side of the debate.
What? Young Christians: Don't do this: don't be nice to gays , that's wrong. Love the gays by opposing gay marriage like we do!


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"I am intolerant,” he said, “but I don't hate. Yes, there is a difference ... We have to turn the definitions around."

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"When somebody calls us a hater ... we need to be all the louder, all the more persistent and consistent with our message,” he said.


So, these Christians homophobes are just intolerant, not haters. It is different. GET IT RIGHT PEOPLE!


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21 Jul 2011, 12:50 am

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But what worries Greg Quinlan, president of the Pro-Family Network, is that many Christians aren't standing in opposition to gay marriage for the sake of getting along with those on the other side of the debate.


God forbid people who disagree would get along.

Can't have that silly nonsense, now can we?



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21 Jul 2011, 9:15 am

Vexcalibur wrote:

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The definition of love is not that you let people do whatever they want.”

So, we don't hate you, we just hate what you do.



Right. Both statements absolutely correct [though "hate" is a little strong, don't you think?].

Do you not agree?

Or is it that if YOU dislike what some one says or does - as it might be good ol' Philologos, who is known to be at various levels obtuse and annoying - you DO automatically hate his guts like the militaristic chimp of your avatar?

We are not all like that - some of us are different.



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21 Jul 2011, 9:18 am

So -

let me get this straight. By you there is nothing wrong with bigotry and intolerance.

Intolerance is fine IF it has the right target - is that where you stand? Clearly you feel intolerance is fine in its place - else would you display less.

Where do you stand on hate? That is not clear to me yet.



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21 Jul 2011, 10:59 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
... So, thanks to big bro Christianity , gays can be glad that they will not be able to marry, they may not understand it right now, but it is the best for them.

I think such Christians are saying/believing that would be best for everyone, not just for gays.


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21 Jul 2011, 11:03 am

leejosepho wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
... So, thanks to big bro Christianity , gays can be glad that they will not be able to marry, they may not understand it right now, but it is the best for them.

I think such Christians are saying/believing that would be best for everyone, not just for gays.
That doesn't make any sense at all.



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21 Jul 2011, 11:35 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
... So, thanks to big bro Christianity , gays can be glad that they will not be able to marry, they may not understand it right now, but it is the best for them.

I think such Christians are saying/believing that would be best for everyone, not just for gays.
That doesn't make any sense at all.

Just like for the Hebrews following their exodus from Egypt, there are saying society overall can be best for everyone when/while families consist of husbands/fathers and wives/mothers along with and raising any children any two such people might have.


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21 Jul 2011, 11:44 am

This is something my program chairman could not understand. Lets see if Wrong Planeteers can be smarter than a jerky professor.

Imagine a bigot. A genuine, no question, everybody will agree and he is proud of it bigot. Picture him.

He says something that he thinks supports his bigotry.

What he says happens to be true.

His bigotry does not change the truth of what he says.

Saying something true does not change that he his a bigot.

Now inagine a righteous Mensch. A genuine, even the bigot cannot deny it, upholder of Justice.

He says something that he considers a righteous thing to say.

What he says happens to be hilariously, even sjockingly false.

His righteousness does not change the falsehood of what he says.

The falsehood does not change the fact he is righteous.

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Some partisan people cannot go there.



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21 Jul 2011, 12:01 pm

leejosepho wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
... So, thanks to big bro Christianity , gays can be glad that they will not be able to marry, they may not understand it right now, but it is the best for them.

I think such Christians are saying/believing that would be best for everyone, not just for gays.
That doesn't make any sense at all.

Just like for the Hebrews following their exodus from Egypt, there are saying society overall can be best for everyone when/while families consist of husbands/fathers and wives/mothers along with and raising any children any two such people might have.
Ok so why?



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21 Jul 2011, 12:02 pm

Philologos wrote:
This is something my program chairman could not understand. Lets see if Wrong Planeteers can be smarter than a jerky professor.

Imagine a bigot. A genuine, no question, everybody will agree and he is proud of it bigot. Picture him.

He says something that he thinks supports his bigotry.

What he says happens to be true.

His bigotry does not change the truth of what he says.

Saying something true does not change that he his a bigot.

Now inagine a righteous Mensch. A genuine, even the bigot cannot deny it, upholder of Justice.

He says something that he considers a righteous thing to say.

What he says happens to be hilariously, even sjockingly false.

His righteousness does not change the falsehood of what he says.

The falsehood does not change the fact he is righteous.

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Some partisan people cannot go there.


Are you saying that that what we say has nothing to do with what we are?

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21 Jul 2011, 12:57 pm

This whole problems stems from a failure of the separation of Church and State.
You don't hear all this grumbling about who can be baptized and what the requirements for baptism should be, because baptism is entirely a Church affair.
Marriage should also be entirely a religious institution, with churches free to marry or not marry whoever and whatever they see fit. There should be no legal ramifications or requirements or paperwork involved.
Everyone who desires legal recognition of their relationship should be able to go to the courthouse and give Uncle Sam some money and get a civil union.
People could do both if they liked, or either one separately.



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21 Jul 2011, 1:05 pm

Philologos wrote:
This is something my program chairman could not understand. Lets see if Wrong Planeteers can be smarter than a jerky professor.

Imagine a bigot. A genuine, no question, everybody will agree and he is proud of it bigot. Picture him.

He says something that he thinks supports his bigotry.

What he says happens to be true.

His bigotry does not change the truth of what he says.

Saying something true does not change that he his a bigot.

Now inagine a righteous Mensch. A genuine, even the bigot cannot deny it, upholder of Justice.

He says something that he considers a righteous thing to say.

What he says happens to be hilariously, even sjockingly false.

His righteousness does not change the falsehood of what he says.

The falsehood does not change the fact he is righteous.

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Some partisan people cannot go there.


A statement can be true but still be offensive because of the source. While it may be true that the kettle is black, the pot still has no standing to say so in any accusatory or belittling fashion.



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21 Jul 2011, 1:12 pm

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The falsehood does not change the fact he is righteous.


I was with you until this line. Doesn't it depend on the falsehood spoken?
What if the righteous man said, "Race A is inferior to Race B."?



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21 Jul 2011, 1:19 pm

wouldnt he by definition cease to be righteous?


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21 Jul 2011, 1:25 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
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The falsehood does not change the fact he is righteous.


I was with you until this line. Doesn't it depend on the falsehood spoken?
What if the righteous man said, "Race A is inferior to Race B."?


Yes. The anti-gay crowd says "the truth offends, so what", yet I doubt many of these people would be willing to have a polite discussion with a group who's "truth" is "Race A is inferior to Race B", especially those who happen to belong to Race A.



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21 Jul 2011, 1:34 pm

So it's the Christians that are at fault here? What about Muslims or members of other religions that don't support gay marriage? They don't matter?


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