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30 Jul 2011, 6:29 pm

I wonder if those books is ancient stories which became later thought as, as reality.

Today we have books like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, A Tale of Two Cities, so is it possible they might be written into a new religion in a long distant future?
The best tales of now could become thought as, as real later in history?

Thought about it last night when I couldn't sleep so what is your POV on this? :)


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30 Jul 2011, 6:29 pm

Well actually, less than 35 years after the first Star Wars movie, there's already a Jedi religion :D You might be on to something!



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30 Jul 2011, 7:36 pm

Not tro quibble [I hardly ever quibble] but the Torah is one part of the Jewish scriptures [Tanakh if you like] which is the larger part of the Basic Christian Scriptures which - with some additions - is the basis of the Catholic and Orthodox scriptures, which are to some degree not ignored by Islam and which are all commonly referred to as "The Bible" - ta Biblia, the books

The Qur'an is very different in structure - look it up - as well as in origins. The Bible is a library of books felt at various times to be important for history and culture and religion of the peoples involved.

There are certainly some stories included. Plus a lot of other stuff. We are not talking a single book here.



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30 Jul 2011, 7:44 pm

Reindeer wrote:
I wonder if those books is ancient stories which became later thought as, as reality.

Today we have books like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, A Tale of Two Cities, so is it possible they might be written into a new religion in a long distant future?
The best tales of now could become thought as, as real later in history?

Thought about it last night when I couldn't sleep so what is your POV on this? :)


L. Ron Hubbard did it in our own time

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30 Jul 2011, 7:52 pm

Don't go comparing the Bible, the Torah and the Qur'an to Harry Potter, The Lord of the Rings, and A Tale of Two Cities. The latter books actually make a little sense.



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30 Jul 2011, 8:07 pm

Jory wrote:
Don't go comparing the Bible, the Torah and the Qur'an to Harry Potter, The Lord of the Rings, and A Tale of Two Cities. The latter books actually make a little sense.


You obviously have not tried reading any ancient literature. Instead of commenting purely based on rumor, you might try it.



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30 Jul 2011, 8:10 pm

Jory wrote:
Don't go comparing the Bible, the Torah and the Qur'an to Harry Potter, The Lord of the Rings, and A Tale of Two Cities. The latter books actually make a little sense.


What? I just came with a theory :)

And I ain't comparing I just said that our big books from now might become religion later.


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30 Jul 2011, 8:12 pm

Philologos wrote:
Not tro quibble [I hardly ever quibble] but the Torah is one part of the Jewish scriptures [Tanakh if you like] which is the larger part of the Basic Christian Scriptures which - with some additions - is the basis of the Catholic and Orthodox scriptures, which are to some degree not ignored by Islam and which are all commonly referred to as "The Bible" - ta Biblia, the books

The Qur'an is very different in structure - look it up - as well as in origins. The Bible is a library of books felt at various times to be important for history and culture and religion of the peoples involved.

There are certainly some stories included. Plus a lot of other stuff. We are not talking a single book here.


Yea I know I have an interest for religion :)


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30 Jul 2011, 8:18 pm

The Bible is in fact rather unusual among sacred compilations. You get collections of hymns like the Psalms and the Rigveda, "wisdom literature" like Proverbs and parts of Ahikar, The Mandaean scriptures may be the closest parallel.



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30 Jul 2011, 8:32 pm

Philologos wrote:
Jory wrote:
Don't go comparing the Bible, the Torah and the Qur'an to Harry Potter, The Lord of the Rings, and A Tale of Two Cities. The latter books actually make a little sense.


You obviously have not tried reading any ancient literature. Instead of commenting purely based on rumor, you might try it.


I've read all three, but thanks for making assumptions anyway.



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30 Jul 2011, 9:27 pm

I'm sure there are true events in all of them.

Interpretation of events is where things get sketchy.



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30 Jul 2011, 9:32 pm

the human brain is where things get sketchy :wink:


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30 Jul 2011, 9:37 pm

It should be something more than that...

Although we cannot prove that they are from the God, the Allah....but they must have something different, compare to pure human fiction.



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30 Jul 2011, 9:46 pm

I've read the bible and only have seen Harry Potter movie trailers.

I'd say they make the same amount of sense.


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30 Jul 2011, 10:17 pm

Oodain wrote:
the human brain is where things get sketchy :wink:



True. Perception is a damn liar, and memory doubly so.

Eye witness accounts are astoundingly unreliable.



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30 Jul 2011, 11:16 pm

Jory wrote:
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Jory wrote:
Don't go comparing the Bible, the Torah and the Qur'an to Harry Potter, The Lord of the Rings, and A Tale of Two Cities. The latter books actually make a little sense.


You obviously have not tried reading any ancient literature. Instead of commenting purely based on rumor, you might try it.


I've read all three, but thanks for making assumptions anyway.


Sorry - thought your "no sense in Bible and Qur'an" had to indicate a lack of familiarity with the texts.

But if you have in fact perused them, then we have to move to a three-headed hypothesis set:

A. You are not up for reading material other than narrative

B. You find the genre mix in the JusaeoChristian library and the somewhat randomly ordered [I think some editions "fix" the order, though] and occasional prophetic / didactic structure of the Qur'an an obstace to finding a "point" for the whole - not surprising, because there is no such direction.

C. You were speaking dacetiously to make a polemic point rather than trying to participate in discussion.