18 Aug 2011, 3:09 pm
If you read the chatlog here ( http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archi ... dreamy_doc ) you will see that DURING THE FIRST PART, the man (talldreamy_doc) was actively pursuing the decoy, and not the other way around. So this part is fair and square. *BUT* if you read further on (especially the portion quoted below) you will see that when the man finally ralized he was doing wrong and attempted to back-pedal, the decoy was pushing him to follow through with what he originally wanted to do, which makes it sound like entrapment.
Now, part of the definition of entrapment is the fact that the person who is being "entrapped" does not have an "inclination" to commit the crime. So, according to this definition, the man was not entrapped since he have demonstrated the "inclination to commit the crime" at the beginning of a chatlog (he was the one who first contacted the decoy, and he was the one who first brought up sexual topics). HOWEVER, from my point of view, this very issue is what makes the definition of entrapment unfair. It basically opens the door to prejudice. If, for example, a racist policeman believes that a black person "has an inclimation to commit robery", he will feel free to push the black person to commit robery since, by that definition, it is no longer an "entrapment". At the same time, pushing white person to do the same IS entrapment, since white person, supposedly, does not have that "inclination". As a result, the gap between robbery committed by blacks and whites will become even wider; this will reinforce the view that blacks have "inclination to commit robbery", so they will be entrapped even more, and so forth.
Now I realize that when they talk about "inclination to commit crime" they are referring to the individual as opposed to a group of people they belong to. In fact, as far as the man in question is concerned, he is white, rich, and one of the head doctors at that. However, an individual-based "evaluation of inclination" can be just as unfair as race-based one. Take an aspie, for example. As was mentioned in the post ( http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt170157.html ), aspies are often blamed in the stores for trying to steal, simply because of their body language. Since the people who suspect them as wanting to steal do NOT realize it is due to their "disability" and do NOT judge them as "part of a group of people", this is not viewed as discrimination and, therefore, is "fair game". Now, since an aspie in question is viewed to "have an inclination to steal", it becomes okay to entrap the aspie in question to steal. So, as they keep trying to bait that aspie over and over, eventually he can't resist and steals, proving them "right". At the same time, NT-s are not being entrapped, since THEY are viewed as "without inclination to commit crime" so entrapping THEM is illegal.
Again, I am not saying that the man in the chat had this kind of misunderstanding; I know in the beginning of a chat he was pretty graphic. But still the fact is that he CHANGED: he FINALLY realized he shouldn't do what he first tried to do. Yet, instead of saying "good I am glad you finally realize something", they push him to stick to what he first wanted to do. As if people are not allowed to "learn". And, in fact, if you think about it, that conversation was quite counter to learning. Decoy gave him all kinds of reasons why the society is "wrong". So what if Wolin takes some of it seriously and brings it to logical conclusion and molest some other kid? Its like the whole purpose is NOT to STOP child molesters but rather to "get rid of them", while encouraging them to do what they do all along.
Think of the following scenario. Most aspies are much younger than their age. So, suppose you made some mistakes few years ago. As a result, people made up their minds that you can't do any better and treat you accordingly. You already learned your lesson, you already changed; but you are still having to deal with people's opinions of you that were formed in the past, and you can't change the past. This is in fact what I am facing academically. Back when I was starting graduate school I was unaware that in graduate school it is important to do research as opposed to merely taking courses. So I was focused on courses and neglected research. As a result I developed a bad reputation. Later I realized my mistakes and I was determined to do research. But no one would agree to give me any research topic! Everyone was of the opinion that I have "inclination to fail on my research", even though this was not true -- as evidenced by the fact that when someone FINALLY agreed to work with me, sure enough I successfully got my Ph.D.
Let me give you another example. Suppose you have a class and some student is doing horribly on the homework and tests. Do you think that, at some point, a teacher is justified to "induce the student to fail" by giving him MORE DIFFICULT test and then justify it by saying that the student has shown to "have inclination to fail the tests" back when he was given the same tests that other students did? I mean this is exactly what decoy is doing here. If you read the chat log, it is not even so much of a bait, but it goes more in a direction of her INSULTING him for refusing to date her. So, this literally IS "more difficult test". If someone keeps harassing you, calling you "faker and player", wouldn't you want to show up just to shut them up? Well, that is the kind of thing she does to him. Yes, I agree that it doesn't make it right. I agree that people shouldn't do something wrong just because they are "bullied into it". But in this case, give the "difficult test" to EVERYONE, not just the student who is failing. This way, at least, it will be fair.
Anyway, here is a portion of the chat in question where decoy was pressuring the man to show up:
And upon getting free of family and responsibility, Wolin initiated the next conversation.
August 25th, 2006
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:16:33 PM): im sooo sorry (And here comes older perverted guy vs. pouting teenager spree)
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:16:41 PM): what happen?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:17:16 PM): babe..i couldnt do it....you're too young..i wish i could see you
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:17:20 PM): what?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:17:23 PM): but all the suff we talk about?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:17:27 PM): u promised
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:17:49 PM): willow..you have to be careful here..im cool..but you could meet some bad people.. (Like really old guys that hit up multiple underage profiles for sexual purposes!)
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:17:58 PM): just be careful
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:18:00 PM): well im not tryin to meet bad peeps i tried to meet u
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:18:05 PM): but u dont like me enuff
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:18:12 PM): i waited and waited too
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:18:15 PM): i know..but you dont know me..and i do like you alot
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:18:25 PM): i know u tons we talk a lot and u gotta sweet car u a doc u cool
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:18:39 PM): well if u like me why u ditch?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:18:50 PM): i know..and everything i said was true....but some guys might lie to you
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:18:59 PM): i know but im not talkin to some guy im talkin to u
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:19:03 PM): u the guy i talk to
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:19:12 PM): u a doc u cute u it all
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:19:20 PM): i know baby...and you're really hot
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:19:38 PM): thanks so whats the prob? we talk so much i mean i though u were the best
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:19:57 PM): i just dont want either of us to get into trouble. (Back to a fear of being arrested rather than knowing what he wants to do is wrong)
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:20:05 PM): lol if we smart we get in no troubs
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:20:18 PM): lets talk more here...
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:20:26 PM): okay but dont be aplayer k?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:20:34 PM): cause i like u lots and i dont wanna be lied to
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:20:40 PM): baby..if i were i a player..i would have come and f*cked you
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:20:53 PM): nah players are like yah baby yah and then they ditch u
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:21:01 PM): i dont want to do that
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:21:28 PM): well thendont do that
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:21:35 PM): i promise i wont
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:21:41 PM): lol u already did kinda
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:21:42 PM): :p
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:22:11 PM): im sorry...i really wanted to see you
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:22:16 PM): well u coulda
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:22:19 PM): and u shoulda
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:22:22 PM): but u didnt :p
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:23:16 PM): sorry..
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:23:20 PM): i chickened out
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:23:27 PM): i know u a big chicken :p
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:23:38 PM): you home alone
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:23:41 PM): yeah
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:23:52 PM): u could still come u in sf that not far
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:24:05 PM): cant tonight...
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:24:10 PM): why not?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:24:29 PM): wanna see my cam?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:24:39 PM): u just gonna sit on cam all night?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:24:44 PM): lol no
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:24:54 PM): so why u no come if u just gonna cam?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:26:21 PM): u leave?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:26:27 PM): im here baby
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:26:31 PM): i just cant not right now
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:26:32 PM): u didnt answer
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:26:35 PM): why not?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:27:06 PM): i mean im bored i just eat noodles tonight and play with cats its lame
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:27:14 PM): it just doesnt seem right..im 29 you're 13 (He goes from 31 to 29 pretty quickly, impressive for a 49 year old)
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:27:20 PM): so what? age is just age
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:27:26 PM): we talked about that
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:27:39 PM): yeah you and i know that but other people wouldnt understand
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:27:45 PM): so u sayin my mom and dad aint right?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:27:50 PM): he 54 she 31
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:28:03 PM): yeah but they wouldnt understand you
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:28:20 PM): i dated b4 so what?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:28:29 PM): sides i dont need to tell em what i do im not a baby
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:28:50 PM): i know but they could find out
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:28:55 PM): only if u tell them
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:29:00 PM): i wouldnt lol
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:29:07 PM): then whats the prob?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:29:53 PM): its against the law...
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:30:02 PM): omg w/e
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:30:10 PM): u think im some baby?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:30:15 PM): im not dumb im smart i thought u knew that
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:30:30 PM): no i know you're really smart..
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:30:38 PM): lets met somewhere like the mall
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:30:42 PM): meet
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:30:44 PM): i cant go walkin to a mall
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:30:55 PM): its 730
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:31:02 PM): not tonight...
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:31:06 PM): i go walkin round alone peeple notic
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:31:12 PM): im bored tonight
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:31:15 PM): and all u doin is gettin on cam
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:31:20 PM): u dont even like me i knew it
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:31:25 PM): i knew a guy like a doc wouldnt like me for real
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:31:43 PM): i like you alot..its just really risky for me
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:31:53 PM): only if u act dumb
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:32:00 PM): lik ethe mall right?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:32:07 PM): u meet me there peeps see
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:32:11 PM): maybe one of them knows my mom
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:32:14 PM): then we both in troubs
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:32:22 PM): yeah you're right..
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:32:43 PM): yeah here u act natural i leave garage open u come in it look legit u kno?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:32:48 PM): you are smart..i know that
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:32:51 PM): yeah im not dumb
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:33:02 PM): i just know u dont like me like that u not for real u a doc a girl like me aint good enuff
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:33:35 PM): you are good enough..you must understand what i am saying..
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:33:41 PM): you're smart..
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:33:44 PM): i dont cause i though of all that already
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:33:47 PM): and it all cool
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:34:09 PM): if a guy really like u he just do it u dont like me enuff thats al
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 9:34:18 PM): well im going to make dinner....i do like you ALOT
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:34:25 PM): yeah u got make dinner while i eat noodles
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:34:30 PM): thats a guy that like sme a lot
willowfilipino (08/25/06 9:34:34 PM): stop playin i hate players
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:03:08 PM): wb was it good?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:03:20 PM): yeah lol...made pasta..
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:03:26 PM): yeah laugh
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:03:42 PM): did your mom make it to LA ok?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:04:02 PM): yeah she made it to socal fine she emailed hours ago when it land
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:04:17 PM): oh thats good
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:04:28 PM): yeah im glad
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:04:38 PM): when does she get back
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:04:46 PM): mon
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:05:05 PM): cool
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:05:13 PM): yeah i guess
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:05:35 PM): well you can have fun this w/e
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:05:49 PM): yeah w/e
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:05:55 PM): i was gonna have fun but fun ditch me
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:06:17 PM): let it go, ok?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:06:23 PM): no
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:06:24 PM): i wont
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:06:40 PM): i want to see you..i cant
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:06:46 PM): u could
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:06:47 PM): stop lyin
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:06:52 PM): nothin i hate worse than lyin
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:07:06 PM): bye
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:07:36 PM): yeah i figure u do that
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:07:39 PM): im so sad
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:07:50 PM): cant you understand?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:07:57 PM): no i dont cause u said u would
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:07:59 PM): then u didnt
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:08:01 PM): then i say it cool
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:08:06 PM): then u say oh well i dont like u enuff
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:08:25 PM): i said i like you alot..
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:08:49 PM): i know what u say u a big talker
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:09:07 PM): if you want to keep insulting me..then im going to leave (Good)
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:09:15 PM): im not insultin u
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:09:19 PM): how is that not true?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:09:42 PM): i told you i want to see you...i just cant..please understand
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:09:52 PM): sure u can
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:09:59 PM): u can if u want u only in sf
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:10:23 PM): if we get together..and do stuff..i can go to jail
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:10:35 PM): its probably best if we dont talk anymore
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:10:49 PM): w/e i dont know what happen to u but u used to be cool
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:10:59 PM): now u just a chicken and a liar and a ditcher and a player
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:11:03 PM): just be careful..ok?
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:11:03 PM): u ruined my day
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:11:12 PM): dont pretend u nice
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:12:04 PM): promise you will be careful..and not invite guys to your house you dont know
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:12:12 PM): i do w/e i want
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:12:19 PM): u go hide in ur place
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:12:49 PM): i care about you
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:13:17 PM): yeah right
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:13:51 PM): willow..im here for you online..and i think we will meet sometime..but we cant do anything
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:14:05 PM): u aint the same guy u were b4
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:14:12 PM): am i even talkin to u or someone else?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:15:04 PM): willow..we had fun chatting last night..but what if I made all that stuff up and I was actually some perv who could hurt you..there are lots of these types here
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:15:23 PM): i know u not
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 10:16:43 PM): yeah but there are alot of bad guys here...you're all by yourself..i worry about you
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:16:57 PM): yeah if u actually care u woulda came
willowfilipino (08/25/06 10:26:23 PM): bye :-<
I've gone through my archives, and I don't think I've ever simply cut off a chat before. At this point, I was done talking to the screenname "talldreamy_doc", he fretted about police, I told him I wasn't a cop and as he kept going on and on, I decided to end the chat. If Maurice Wolin had left it at this, he probably would never have been charged with a crime. However, as you will see after an hour of realizing that this kid he wanted to have sex with has basically told him off and cut off conversation, Maurice Wolin takes a different and more predictable course.
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:21:15 PM): night (An hour later and he reinitiates chat, but why?)
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:21:32 PM): night
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:21:43 PM): dont be sad..i still like you alot
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:21:52 PM): right
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:23:01 PM): so dont believe me
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:23:10 PM): u want me to be honest?
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:23:21 PM): i have been
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:24:12 PM): i think u scared and that okay but u gotta know that im true and how i feel about u is true and u gotta try to live sometime and i like u so much i felt so good when u like me and were gonna come over i wish i felt that way again but i dont not until u think about it and figure out if u like me enough to try cause u will not be disapointed
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:25:33 PM): i know i wont be disappointed..and you wouldnt be either..i would treat you so well
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:25:50 PM): i know but u gota be here to do that and thats what u wont do
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:26:22 PM): im not ready yet..i might be if we know each other better
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:26:35 PM): well we know each other lots and it not like i got house free allthe time
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:26:53 PM): so u gotta think and say i know i scared but what am i gonna lose? that all thats all i gotta say
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:27:06 PM): i could lose alot
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:27:12 PM): i meant me
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:27:23 PM): and u cant lose nothin by seein me i aint gonna tell nobody i like u too much
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:27:45 PM): i like you alot
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:27:51 PM): but not enough
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:27:56 PM): even after all i said
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:28:30 PM): i have to think...maybe tomorrow
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:28:43 PM): okay well talk about it and see i guess
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:28:51 PM): yeah
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:28:53 PM): just think about it and think about how much u mean to me
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:29:09 PM): i hope u make the good decison cause i know i would like it so much
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:29:39 PM): well you mean alot to me
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:30:02 PM): sayin it is one thing doing it is another
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:30:19 PM): yes i know....
willowfilipino (08/25/06 11:30:28 PM): so think about it and i hope u do it
talldreamy_doc (08/25/06 11:31:11 PM): k..
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