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27 Aug 2011, 10:20 am

I thnk he did cause he was good at making things orderly and stuff and he clearly liked trains


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27 Aug 2011, 10:33 am

I know this is going to sound sick, but hear me out. I think that he may have been based on his intelligence and his lack of empathy for others, but if you were in his head, he may have thought that what he was doing was actually good. Remember he was trying to restore Germany to her former glory and create the master race. He thought that by doing this he would be doing good by getting rid of disease and low intelligence. Now, his methodes were obviously atrocious, but his result were astounding. He did clean up the German "gene pool" quite a bit. I am in no way agreeing with what he did, but if you have an open mind you can see the good that it did. Again, not in agreement, but I could see how a very intelligent person could do this only if they had no empathy; ergo, he may have been an Aspie.


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27 Aug 2011, 10:35 am

TheBrain wrote:
I know this is going to sound sick, but hear me out. I think that he may have been based on his intelligence and his lack of empathy for others, but if you were in his head, he may have thought that what he was doing was actually good. Remember he was trying to restore Germany to her former glory and create the master race. He thought that by doing this he would be doing good by getting rid of disease and low intelligence. Now, his methodes were obviously atrocious, but his result were astounding. He did clean up the German "gene pool" quite a bit. I am in no way agreeing with what he did, but if you have an open mind you can see the good that it did. Again, not in agreement, but I could see how a very intelligent person could do this only if they had no empathy; ergo, he may have been an Aspie.


Well, I was just being ironic but you sir, i do dearly hope you are being ironic.


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27 Aug 2011, 10:37 am

TheBrain, I think perhaps - His mind may have been thinking horribly irrationally, just as mine was three years ago. Only it was on a far much larger scale, and far worse.


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27 Aug 2011, 11:48 am

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TheBrain, I think perhaps - His mind may have been thinking horribly irrationally, just as mine was three years ago. Only it was on a far much larger scale, and far worse.

If he did it would explain a lot. The various medications and drugs his personal doctor prescribed to him would've only made it worse.

To anyone who says "he couldn't have autism! He's evil!" Diseases/syndromes/etc aren't morally exclusive.


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27 Aug 2011, 11:58 am

I don't think he had autism. He was always in the public, and a charismatic speaker who charmed thousands upon thousands of people. I really do not think he fit the bill for Aspergers.

If he liked things orderly and a specific way, perhaps he was part OCD....and part psychopath. Also, the person I knew who loved trains more than anyone I have ever met, who actively built model trains all over his basement and in public, was my non-autistic uncle.


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27 Aug 2011, 12:03 pm

I don't think it is possible to reliably diagnose anyone who is dead. So it would really be impossible to say yes or no.

That said, I will add one other point. If Hitler did fall somewhere on the autism spectrum, the evil deeds that he is known for have nothing to do with it, either way. An autistic person can make terrible choices and do evil things, not because they're autistic, but because they're human. The same is true of NTs. So the things we first think of when we hear the name "Hitler" do not have any specific link with autism.


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27 Aug 2011, 12:03 pm

Also, in response to the second post: no, I can't see the GOOD it did. I can see the success he had for what he was attempting to do, but I do not see it in any way, shape, or form, a good thing. I would have to see Jews, Gypsies, blacks, homosexuals, etc as inferior and unworthy of life to see any good in them being eliminated from the population.

Also, if every racist person filled with hate on the planet has Aspergers, then what does that say about the rest of us spectrumites? Just because some of us may have trouble with empathy does not mean we morally think it is okay to butcher millions of people just because we can't put ourselves in their shoes. Also, I don't think he completely lacked empathy. He saw the "inferior" people as animals at some point, and as Satan's spawn at another point. I bet he empathized with his own kind though. People who lack empathy cannot do that.


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27 Aug 2011, 12:05 pm

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Remember he was trying to restore Germany to her former glory and create the master race. He thought that by doing this he would be doing good by getting rid of disease and low intelligence. Now, his methodes were obviously atrocious, but his result were astounding. He did clean up the German "gene pool" quite a bit. I am in no way agreeing with what he did, but if you have an open mind you can see the good that it did.

Years ago I visited a concentration camp and what you wrote here makes me feel ill. Which human being has the right to decide which life is livable and valuable and which not? How can you see any good in that? Hitler abused Darwin's evolution theory to justify his personal disappointment, hatred and despite towards minorities and a human race. Evolution creates lives on this planet and we should leave this responsibility in nature's hands.



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27 Aug 2011, 12:13 pm

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He did clean up the German "gene pool" quite a bit. I am in no way agreeing with what he did, but if you have an open mind you can see the good that it did.


Although I don't really believe genetics is that simple, if you were to accept the argument that removing certain groups affects the makeup of the surviving population's descendants, then what did Hitler accomplish? Let's see: he wiped out people who were living quietly and doing no harm at all to anyone else, and by so doing increased the proportion of mass murderers, violent individuals, and so on. By recruiting mass murderers, the violent, the brutal, etc. and giving them higher pay and status than many others, he increased their rate of "reproductive success". In other words, I wouldn't call that "cleaning up" the German gene pool, I'd call it poisoning it.

Now, I am not saying Germans are worse than anyone else. As I said, I don't believe genetics is that simple. But, if you do accept the premises that gene pools can be "cleaned up", then I fail to see how killing Jews, Romani, Slavs, blacks, etc. etc. while sheltering the brutal thugs willing to carry out such policies could possibly have a good result.


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27 Aug 2011, 12:14 pm

Did anyone see the part where I said that I don't agree with what he did over and over again?


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27 Aug 2011, 12:14 pm

Personally I see this as a Take That! to everyone claiming Einstein had aspergers.



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27 Aug 2011, 12:17 pm

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Did anyone see the part where I said that I don't agree with what he did over and over again?


See my post, above. I think that speaks, clearly, to why I don't consider your disclaimer, which I did read, does nearly enough to negate the chilling effect of your post.

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27 Aug 2011, 12:17 pm

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Did anyone see the part where I said that I don't agree with what he did over and over again?


Yes, but I was focusing on the part where you said if you have an openmind you can see the GOOD in it.


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27 Aug 2011, 12:18 pm

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See my post, above. I think that speaks, clearly, to why I don't consider your disclaimer, which I did read, does nearly enough to negate the chilling effect of your post.

NEVER AGAIN!


I agree!!


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27 Aug 2011, 12:18 pm

littlelily613 wrote:
TheBrain wrote:
Did anyone see the part where I said that I don't agree with what he did over and over again?


Yes, but I was focusing on the part where you said if you have an openmind you can see the GOOD in it.


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