Is it alright to Smoke weed, if you have Autism?

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03 Sep 2011, 3:02 pm

Im not looking for a lecture on how weed is bad, I just want to know if theirs any psychological affects of Marijuana on people with Autism other than what is obvious. Because when I smoke, I get really inebriated. I have what some people describe as Out of Body Experiences, which Im skeptical about. The other day, I was coming down from the Adderall Im prescribed to and I was playing Gears of War 2 multiplayer, when the music playing on a laptop started to actually take form in my mind. I perceived the sounds, lyrics, and tones, as some sort of waves and they started to make patterns and built up into a spire, like constructive waves. It then morphed into like a cat scan of what looked like a brain, almost a perfect image, as far as my prior knowledge is concerned. But their was more that happened. I seemed to be able to remember every fact I've learned about any certain subject we talked about that night, such as scientific facts or theories, Historical facts etc. I was also on a roll of making different, logical sounding, conspiracy theories and other fictitious stories, that actually sounded pretty good. I was also strategically and tactically better at Gears of War 2. Any thoughts on what happened to me, why it happened, and how?



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03 Sep 2011, 3:12 pm

It's very much alright. Haha. I dont get the visuals, not concretely anyway just faint hints, and things kinda warp around a bit. Nothing serious. But I have NT friends and a schizo-spectrum friend who get all kinds of closed eye visuals when they smoke, as well as many who get nothing. No bad has come of it in the four years we've been smoking regularly, and surprisingly the schizo guy has been able to completely cope with the paranoid thoughts and occasional hallucinations since he started smoking - not that there's a causal relationship there, but hey, who knows. The s**t opens your mind to more associations within itself, so there's plenty of reason to think that it might help you strengthen your less-used neural pathways - if, of course, you use it constructively. Which it sounds like you are.



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03 Sep 2011, 3:31 pm

If you want to add to your woes then sure.

Last thing a person with autism needs is to add paranoia and moodiness to their already existing neurological condition.

Every person I ever knew who smoked weed was a low-life, smelled bad, was paranoid, and had a really bad attitude when they didn't have any weed.

Don't go there. Don't listen to anybody who suggests this is even >0.1% a good idea, because it's not.



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03 Sep 2011, 3:56 pm

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If you want to add to your woes then sure.

Last thing a person with autism needs is to add paranoia and moodiness to their already existing neurological condition.

Every person I ever knew who smoked weed was a low-life, smelled bad, was paranoid, and had a really bad attitude when they didn't have any weed.

Don't go there. Don't listen to anybody who suggests this is even >0.1% a good idea, because it's not.


Sounds to me like youve never done it, and have very limited experience with stoners haha. It's very much a subject thing, to be taken on a case-by-case basis. I know that it was nothing but positive for me, anyway. Personally I wouldn't listen to someone that takes such a hard line black-or-white stance against something on the basis of a few smelly low-lifes and no personal experience.



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03 Sep 2011, 4:09 pm

I don't really know anything about weed. So all I'll say is do NOT use weed if you take any other meds... ever.


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03 Sep 2011, 4:29 pm

AtticusKane wrote:
oceandrop wrote:
If you want to add to your woes then sure.

Last thing a person with autism needs is to add paranoia and moodiness to their already existing neurological condition.

Every person I ever knew who smoked weed was a low-life, smelled bad, was paranoid, and had a really bad attitude when they didn't have any weed.

Don't go there. Don't listen to anybody who suggests this is even >0.1% a good idea, because it's not.


Sounds to me like youve never done it, and have very limited experience with stoners haha. It's very much a subject thing, to be taken on a case-by-case basis. I know that it was nothing but positive for me, anyway. Personally I wouldn't listen to someone that takes such a hard line black-or-white stance against something on the basis of a few smelly low-lifes and no personal experience.


I have smoked on and off for about 3 years, nothing serious. In that time, I have been MORE paranoid, more anxious, and more just WTF in general. This may or may not be because of the weed. I don't know. Maybe weed helped contribute? I don't know.

I don't smoke, but I kind of wish I never had started in the first place. Yes it was some fun times hanging out, but was all it was. The other people doing it weren't great friends or anything.

I say ditch the weed and alcohol, and work out, and that way you won't ever have to worry about side-affects, wasting your time, or interfering with your school work.



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03 Sep 2011, 4:48 pm

Your mileage may vary. Even prescribed psychoactives affect people with the "same" condition in vastly different ways. From the OP's post, it sounds like it works to boost mental association and attention to detail and spontaneous thinking, similar to me. If you smoke all the damn time, yes, it'll turn negative. But hell. One occasional drink never killed anyone, and neither has an occasional toke. There's a lot of horror stories out there, but my stance is that, whatever "disorder" we may share, there's about a thousand and one other variables, and nobody ever became psychotic (without already suffering from psychosis) or even got HPPD from weed. It CAN be positive, it CAN be negative. Just be careful and do your research, should you decide to continue messing with it.



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03 Sep 2011, 4:56 pm

oceandrop wrote:
If you want to add to your woes then sure.

Last thing a person with autism needs is to add paranoia and moodiness to their already existing neurological condition.


Exactly this.



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03 Sep 2011, 5:59 pm

Ganja can be quite good but the one piece of advice I'd give you from experience is this. If you find yourself getting paranoid, stop. And don't smoke it again. It'll only get worse from there on in.


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03 Sep 2011, 7:14 pm

AtticusKane wrote:
Sounds to me like youve never done it, and have very limited experience with stoners haha. It's very much a subject thing, to be taken on a case-by-case basis. I know that it was nothing but positive for me, anyway. Personally I wouldn't listen to someone that takes such a hard line black-or-white stance against something on the basis of a few smelly low-lifes and no personal experience.


I don't need to walk under a bus to know it will make me go splat.

I know several people who use weed (including a close relative) and know from first hand experience that it causes paranoia and moodiness in all of them (not to mention the repugnant smell). There are scientific studies supporting this so it's not just anecdotal evidence.

Also consider this (specifically regarding autism): -

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There are three significant symptoms an autistic child suffers from, and these are problems in socially relating to others, qualitative impairments in communicating and restrictive repetitive, stereotyped patterns of behavior. Marijuana does not improve any of these symptoms. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, there are eleven research studies which suggest that heavy marijuana use, (defined by smoking marijuana for twenty-seven consecutive days or more,) leads to a decline in a person's ability to learn, retain information and function successfully in society. Being able to socially relate to others in diverse settings is learned behavior, so for a child who already struggles with this skill, marijuana decreases the likelihood that any progress will be made on the issue.

Furthermore, in a 1978 research study conducted by Paul Clopton and his colleagues on "marijuana and the perception of effect."The results of this study strongly suggested that consumption of marijuana significantly reduced an individual's ability to perceive emotions in others. Needless to say the ability for one person to perceive emotions in another involves empathy on the perceiver's part and for empathy to be present; communication also has to be present. Yet another reason why giving marijuana to an autistic child is a poor medical decision, as the likelihood of a child's being able to improve upon poor communication skills is significantly reduced.

Quoted from: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pro ... dolescents



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03 Sep 2011, 7:39 pm

oceandrop wrote:
AtticusKane wrote:
Sounds to me like youve never done it, and have very limited experience with stoners haha. It's very much a subject thing, to be taken on a case-by-case basis. I know that it was nothing but positive for me, anyway. Personally I wouldn't listen to someone that takes such a hard line black-or-white stance against something on the basis of a few smelly low-lifes and no personal experience.


I don't need to walk under a bus to know it will make me go splat.

I know several people who use weed (including a close relative) and know from first hand experience that it causes paranoia and moodiness in all of them (not to mention the repugnant smell). There are scientific studies supporting this so it's not just anecdotal evidence.

Also consider this (specifically regarding autism): -

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There are three significant symptoms an autistic child suffers from, and these are problems in socially relating to others, qualitative impairments in communicating and restrictive repetitive, stereotyped patterns of behavior. Marijuana does not improve any of these symptoms. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, there are eleven research studies which suggest that heavy marijuana use, (defined by smoking marijuana for twenty-seven consecutive days or more,) leads to a decline in a person's ability to learn, retain information and function successfully in society. Being able to socially relate to others in diverse settings is learned behavior, so for a child who already struggles with this skill, marijuana decreases the likelihood that any progress will be made on the issue.

Furthermore, in a 1978 research study conducted by Paul Clopton and his colleagues on "marijuana and the perception of effect."The results of this study strongly suggested that consumption of marijuana significantly reduced an individual's ability to perceive emotions in others. Needless to say the ability for one person to perceive emotions in another involves empathy on the perceiver's part and for empathy to be present; communication also has to be present. Yet another reason why giving marijuana to an autistic child is a poor medical decision, as the likelihood of a child's being able to improve upon poor communication skills is significantly reduced.

Quoted from: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pro ... dolescents


It only causes paranoia in some people, that is actually not one of the most common side effects though...most people feel relaxed and maybe euphoric if they smoke.



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03 Sep 2011, 7:46 pm

@ oceandrop: So do you mean that Im a low-life, that I smell bad, that Im generally a bad person. I can't quite place the level of ignorance of your comment... have you ever gotten to know a marijuana smoker? The ones I know at least, are some of the most caring, tolerant, and open- minded people I know. Did you know, that in the marijuana sub- culture, people really don't pressure others to do it to. They even respect you, when you don't want to. They try to teach, to whomever is starting out on their own accord, to learn your own susceptibility, to learn your own level of what you can handle. If you can't smoke anymore for the night, they assure you that it's alright if you don't want to. Name some facts on marijuana, and most likely, I will argue that point, and you will learn something. I've thought up my own raps, I've envisioned my own symphony pieces, I typically philosophize on many varied subjects, such as Meta- Physics, Political Philosophy etc. Im passionate about Physics, Politics, Astronomy, I know what Super-String theory is, not to mention Quantum Physics, Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Computing. I can tell you anything about World War 1 and 2, or other assorted wars. I have a family I love, who also loves me, I shower twice a day, and I attend school regularly, and get good grades. Im going out for volunteer work, so I can earn a Silver Chord scholarship, Im a Sophomore and Im already planning my college career. I strive to earn Valedictorian, and become a member in the National Honors Society. After that, I hope to major in a scientific subject such as Bio- Technology, so I can be an intern or even a researcher, and even on to being the owner of a startup company, an entrepreneurship. I would hope to eventually be the CEO of a major corporation, that would be competent in many or all branches and sub- categories of Scientific research. I would like it to turn it into the worlds premier powerhouse of scientific and technological advancements, prototypes, and theories. Not once, have I found my self slacking, I've actually found my self intrigued, and ready to learn after I've smoked some marijuana. Yet you still probably believe, that marijuana can make you OD, can harm your body, and can damage your brain.



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03 Sep 2011, 7:48 pm

When I'm drunk I do better on IQ tests because of the lack of math related anxiety. It might be the same if I was on weed. But I'm on medication that allows me to concentrate for longer to not have so much math related anxiety.

Taking medication while smoking weed is a definite no no. I have experience in that area.
And I realise you were coming off Adderal. ADHD medication stay in your system for an extra day even if you can't feel it.
You probably remembered everything because of the Adderal. It helps increase memory.

Last time I smoked weed I was sitting in a car on the highway and not only did I think the cars were zooming by so close that I thought they'd run into us I saw the road curl up and begin to crash down upon us like a wave. I had also taken Ritalin.

I also have the most craziest explosive meltdowns on weed and because of seizures I can't even take one toke of the stuff anymore.

I say take caution if you have autism and are sensitive to medications.


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03 Sep 2011, 8:05 pm

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When I'm drunk I do better on IQ tests because of the lack of math related anxiety. It might be the same if I was on weed. But I'm on medication that allows me to concentrate for longer to not have so much math related anxiety.

Taking medication while smoking weed is a definite no no. I have experience in that area.
And I realise you were coming off Adderal. ADHD medication stay in your system for an extra day even if you can't feel it.
You probably remembered everything because of the Adderal. It helps increase memory.

Last time I smoked weed I was sitting in a car on the highway and not only did I think the cars were zooming by so close that I thought they'd run into us I saw the road curl up and begin to crash down upon us like a wave. I had also taken Ritalin.

I also have the most craziest explosive meltdowns on weed and because of seizures I can't even take one toke of the stuff anymore.

I say take caution if you have autism and are sensitive to medications.


Hmm adderall does not increase my memory....I have tried it before, also all cannabis did was sort of neutralize the effects of the adderall.



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03 Sep 2011, 10:09 pm

I'd personally never smoke, but if it makes you happy, it's your life. It sounds like it's having more positive effects on you than negative.


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