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9/11?? (Pick the BEST option)
A day of infamy where evil men did evil deeds against the US. One to be remembered and avenged. 21%  21%  [ 17 ]
The day of a terrorist attack on US soil. To be remembered solemnly for the years to come. 16%  16%  [ 13 ]
A learning event for the US. US intel dropped the ball, and this is a sign of how we need to adapt to a post-Cold War world 10%  10%  [ 8 ]
An instance of blowback for decades of terrible US actions towards foreign nations. 13%  13%  [ 11 ]
An overblown event where the US lost face and has whined about it for a baby despite the millions of other deaths the last century 9%  9%  [ 7 ]
A sign of how far the evil US government will go to control the masses. The government attacked the twin towers. 12%  12%  [ 10 ]
Another day. I don't care. 10%  10%  [ 8 ]
A great event where the evil Americans were killed like the pigs they are. 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Unsure/Ambivalent 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Let me see the results!! ! 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 82

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11 Sep 2011, 6:52 pm

Discuss. 9/11 is a heated topic with emotional ties, but are these ties justified or not? What do you think about the event and the US's reaction to that event?



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11 Sep 2011, 7:20 pm

I liked the “A day of infamy……..” one and “A learning event for the US…..” but since I could only pick one and I’m a mean spirited conservative I, of course, picked the first one since it implies violence. :D

As for the learning event it holds considerable merit. There had been negligence in various forms for decades where terrorism is concerned. It’s a deep topic in itself and one worth reading up on.
Even the Israeli Mossad warned us that something like this was brewing months before it happened and they have been proven to be quite adept in dealing with terrorists and intel.



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11 Sep 2011, 9:31 pm

probably both 2 and 4



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11 Sep 2011, 10:29 pm

A day that must be avenged, and we must also learn from our mistakes. We let our intelligence gathering abilities get neglected and we crated a social atmosphere where political correctness got in the way of airport security.


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11 Sep 2011, 11:17 pm

Violence begets violence. Keeping a close eye on our borders and good intell is probably the best form of defense. There is the problem of having the enemy on our soil and fighting us from within, but even that can be supervised.



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11 Sep 2011, 11:32 pm

cw10 wrote:
Violence begets violence.

Maybe, maybe not. Either way, using violence in self-defense beats standing there and taking it when they started it and won't stop voluntarily.


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12 Sep 2011, 12:50 am

#2


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12 Sep 2011, 12:52 am

I will never for get thats all im going to say



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12 Sep 2011, 12:15 pm

#2. It's just sad. Sure it's a good idea to make it a learning experience, but more importantly I think it's important for us to reflect and regain perspective. Especially when thinking about the firefighters who went into those infernos with the sole purpose of saving lives. They didn't stop and ask about who's deserving of rescue, who's too old, too lazy, too crippled. They didn't ask for medals or money. They didn't see black or white or left or right. They just knew they had a job to do. Completely selfless acts don't happen very often and we should honor them when they do. Same with the passengers on flight 93 and other civilians who stepped it up that day.

I was also rather touched to see 9/11 memorials across the globe. Even France. We're such a**holes we came up with "Freedom Fries," and still, they memorialize this event.

There is unity in loss. We'd be wise to reflect and extinguish the pettiness.



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12 Sep 2011, 12:28 pm

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The developed world became complacent after the end of the Cold War. And 9/11 was the end result.



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12 Sep 2011, 2:21 pm

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Explain to me how a "terrorist", who, incidentally, learned to fly on a simulator, could aim a giant passenger jet , with impeccable accuracy, so even and low to the ground, into the side of the Pentagon. Explain how several folks heard explosions near the basement of the towers after the planes hit the towers. Explain why the towers fell exactly like how buildings destroyed by controlled demolitions fall. Explain why the government refuses to release data and videos that would show how infallible the official story is. Explain why the 9/11 commission left out very important details in its dossier. Explain why the passports of the "terrorists" were found in tact yet the black boxes of all the flights were either not found or were confiscated by the FBI. Explain to me how, when you look at the crash in Pennsylvania, how there was little to no debris and no bodies. Explain to me why building seven is never mentioned and why it's destruction bears eerie similarities to a controlled demolition. Explain why Larry Silverstein obtained insurance policies for buildings 1, 2, 4 and 5 worth 3.55 billion dollars on July 2001.


There are many coincidences and inconsistencies with the official story.



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12 Sep 2011, 2:56 pm

almost all of those have been explained



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12 Sep 2011, 4:38 pm

Bloviater wrote:
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Explain to me how a "terrorist", who, incidentally, learned to fly on a simulator, could aim a giant passenger jet , with impeccable accuracy, so even and low to the ground, into the side of the Pentagon. Explain how several folks heard explosions near the basement of the towers after the planes hit the towers. Explain why the towers fell exactly like how buildings destroyed by controlled demolitions fall. Explain why the government refuses to release data and videos that would show how infallible the official story is. Explain why the 9/11 commission left out very important details in its dossier. Explain why the passports of the "terrorists" were found in tact yet the black boxes of all the flights were either not found or were confiscated by the FBI. Explain to me how, when you look at the crash in Pennsylvania, how there was little to no debris and no bodies. Explain to me why building seven is never mentioned and why it's destruction bears eerie similarities to a controlled demolition. Explain why Larry Silverstein obtained insurance policies for buildings 1, 2, 4 and 5 worth 3.55 billion dollars on July 2001.


There are many coincidences and inconsistencies with the official story.


Ummm... they didn't fall in a way that was anything close to looking like a controlled demolition. Of course some idiots are going to make the comparison to a controlled demolition because lets face it - when else has anyone ever witnessed a large skyscraper falling on it's own? Not including 9/11?

WTC 7 was the only building that even remotely looked like a controlled demolition, and that only from a specific angle. The problem is there are less views of the south side of WTC 7 where the outer facade of WTC 1 had pushed into and hollowed out half the base of the structure.



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12 Sep 2011, 5:12 pm

marshall wrote:
Bloviater wrote:
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Explain to me how a "terrorist", who, incidentally, learned to fly on a simulator, could aim a giant passenger jet , with impeccable accuracy, so even and low to the ground, into the side of the Pentagon. Explain how several folks heard explosions near the basement of the towers after the planes hit the towers. Explain why the towers fell exactly like how buildings destroyed by controlled demolitions fall. Explain why the government refuses to release data and videos that would show how infallible the official story is. Explain why the 9/11 commission left out very important details in its dossier. Explain why the passports of the "terrorists" were found in tact yet the black boxes of all the flights were either not found or were confiscated by the FBI. Explain to me how, when you look at the crash in Pennsylvania, how there was little to no debris and no bodies. Explain to me why building seven is never mentioned and why it's destruction bears eerie similarities to a controlled demolition. Explain why Larry Silverstein obtained insurance policies for buildings 1, 2, 4 and 5 worth 3.55 billion dollars on July 2001.


There are many coincidences and inconsistencies with the official story.


Ummm... they didn't fall in a way that was anything close to looking like a controlled demolition. Of course some idiots are going to make the comparison to a controlled demolition because lets face it - when else has anyone ever witnessed a large skyscraper falling on it's own? Not including 9/11?

WTC 7 was the only building that even remotely looked like a controlled demolition, and that only from a specific angle. The problem is there are less views of the south side of WTC 7 where the outer facade of WTC 1 had pushed into and hollowed out half the base of the structure.
True. It is just a foolish conspiracy theory.

I voted for the many other people who have died... but we cared about 9/11 because it happened to (usually well to do (unlike during Katrina)) Americans.



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12 Sep 2011, 5:38 pm

marshall wrote:
Ummm... they didn't fall in a way that was anything close to looking like a controlled demolition.
Exactly - and not least because controlled demolitions of towers start at the base, for what I would hope are obvious reasons.
For example:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4erFzhC-U&feature=related[/youtube]The WTC towers fell in on themselves starting at the top which seems to me to be entirely consistent with weakened floor structures pancaking onto each other, gaining more destructive force with each floor's failure.
And no; that "bang, bang, bang" sequence is nothing like the noise the WTC towers made as they collapsed, either.


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12 Sep 2011, 5:48 pm

"A great event where the evil Americans were killed like the pigs they are."

Woah. Since 99% of members on this site are American, a lot of people are gonna be pissed :o