For those who complain about "the economy"....

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12 Sep 2011, 2:56 pm

...Can you be more specific about what aspect of "the economy" you would like to change?

Interest rates too low? Well, that isn't likely to change, soon.

Stock market falling? Well, it goes up and down.

Factories not producing enough? Well, they're already producing all that we need.

Inflation too high? Inflation is still, historically, quite low.

Do you think that unemployment is too high? Well, maybe we just don't need everyone to be employed, anyway. Plus, high unemployment may discourage immigration, if you don't like immigrants. We could just leave that damned fence alone.

Do you want the price of your house to bubble up again?

Or, do people just feel like complaining about something, and complaining about "the economy" just seems a bit deeper than complaining about the weather?



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12 Sep 2011, 3:11 pm

pandabear wrote:
...Can you be more specific about what aspect of "the economy" you would like to change?

Interest rates too low? Well, that isn't likely to change, soon.

Stock market falling? Well, it goes up and down.

Factories not producing enough? Well, they're already producing all that we need.

Inflation too high? Inflation is still, historically, quite low.

Do you think that unemployment is too high? Well, maybe we just don't need everyone to be employed, anyway. Plus, high unemployment may discourage immigration, if you don't like immigrants. We could just leave that damned fence alone.

Do you want the price of your house to bubble up again?

Or, do people just feel like complaining about something, and complaining about "the economy" just seems a bit deeper than complaining about the weather?


Ok well if not everyone needs to be employed but being employed is really the only way to have income...other than college loans/grants or being elgible for welfare or disability programs. so how do you suggest the un-employed pay for their basic needs if they don't go to college or are not disabled and not elgible for welfare?

Honestly I cannot think of one specific thing that is wrong, it seems the whole economy is pretty screwed up in general. I just feel like the current state of the economy is really screwing a lot of people over.



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12 Sep 2011, 3:57 pm

pandabear wrote:
...Do you think that unemployment is too high? Well, maybe we just don't need everyone to be employed, anyway. Plus, high unemployment may discourage immigration, if you don't like immigrants. We could just leave that damned fence alone.


It's this. Unemployment is too high. We don't need everyone to be employed. A healthy economy can support some unemployed people (via retirement benefits, disability benefits, welfare benefits, only needing one spouse to work, college loans, family support). But when people need a job to support themselves and can't get one, or can only get one that won't support them (part time, for example), there's a problem. It is socially destabilizing and if it gets too severe, socially dangerous.



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12 Sep 2011, 4:04 pm

Janissy wrote:
pandabear wrote:
...Do you think that unemployment is too high? Well, maybe we just don't need everyone to be employed, anyway. Plus, high unemployment may discourage immigration, if you don't like immigrants. We could just leave that damned fence alone.


It's this. Unemployment is too high. We don't need everyone to be employed. A healthy economy can support some unemployed people (via retirement benefits, disability benefits, welfare benefits, only needing one spouse to work, college loans, family support). But when people need a job to support themselves and can't get one, or can only get one that won't support them (part time, for example), there's a problem. It is socially destabilizing and if it gets too severe, socially dangerous.


Exactly...I mean most people will find ways to survive, and if jobs or other ways of getting income are not providing people with the means to afford what they need what does everyone suppose they are going to do lay down and die? to make room for everyone who can be supported by the current economy.......hell no, at least I would hope not.



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12 Sep 2011, 4:53 pm

It could be worse America could be like Greece their Economy is way worse then ours



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12 Sep 2011, 5:04 pm

For those who complain about complaints...

Let's be particular about the specifics of general trends!! !

How about the effects of the weather on economic wealth??? Well, sometimes it rains and sometimes it doesn't!! ! So why should anybody whine about floods and droughts, or even notice that the answer to prayers is most often "NO!! !"

Many things are out of stock, like life-saving medications. Well, "there's a time to be born, and there's a time to die" doesn't seem to be a very good fit in such an aspect.

Inflation too high? Yes!! ! I didn't buy items I needed because the price was 33% higher than last month. The wheel of Capitalism is a deadly circle, and the stupid snake who is dangerous for humans to tread on has bitten it's own tail with full venom.

Well, maybe "we" don't need everyone to be part of the social system, and maybe discarding "those people" from having any productive opportunities will discourage "those 'other' people".

Feel like complaining??? Think of those poor Republicans having to suck Tea Bags well past the time of opportunistic weather reports of any caffeine content.

Does "survival of the fittest" apply to Robber Barons facing True Justice as the boat sinks from the weight of all that heavy metal used to crucify humanity on crosses of gold?

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12 Sep 2011, 8:17 pm

I think that our factories are producing all that we really need. Anything else we can import. So, what's the big deal if some people don't have "jobs?" It isn't as if they would be doing anything really useful if they did have "jobs." We're already producing all the stuff we need. We've become sufficient efficient at producing stuff that we really don't need full employment to produce all that we need.



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13 Sep 2011, 12:28 am

pandabear wrote:
I think that our factories are producing all that we really need. Anything else we can import. So, what's the big deal if some people don't have "jobs?" It isn't as if they would be doing anything really useful if they did have "jobs." We're already producing all the stuff we need. We've become sufficient efficient at producing stuff that we really don't need full employment to produce all that we need.


Yes maybe things we need are produced and can be imported but that does not help people who can not afford these things they need...and not having a job or other source of income tends to have that effect.



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13 Sep 2011, 12:46 am

Joker wrote:
It could be worse America could be like Greece their Economy is way worse then ours


We are like Greece. We've been living beyond our means for quite some time with the help of cheap foreign labor and making promises we won't be able to keep. The difference is that we have better bullshitters to sell us as a stable economy. Greece went down because they couldn't fake it any more.



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13 Sep 2011, 2:25 am

pandabear wrote:
...Can you be more specific about what aspect of "the economy" you would like to change?

Interest rates too low? Well, that isn't likely to change, soon.

Stock market falling? Well, it goes up and down.

Factories not producing enough? Well, they're already producing all that we need.

Inflation too high? Inflation is still, historically, quite low.

Do you think that unemployment is too high? Well, maybe we just don't need everyone to be employed, anyway. Plus, high unemployment may discourage immigration, if you don't like immigrants. We could just leave that damned fence alone.

Do you want the price of your house to bubble up again?

Or, do people just feel like complaining about something, and complaining about "the economy" just seems a bit deeper than complaining about the weather?

Oh God! I can't believe you accuse me of trolling! :roll:


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13 Sep 2011, 8:12 am

John_Browning wrote:
pandabear wrote:
...Can you be more specific about what aspect of "the economy" you would like to change?

Interest rates too low? Well, that isn't likely to change, soon.

Stock market falling? Well, it goes up and down.

Factories not producing enough? Well, they're already producing all that we need.

Inflation too high? Inflation is still, historically, quite low.

Do you think that unemployment is too high? Well, maybe we just don't need everyone to be employed, anyway. Plus, high unemployment may discourage immigration, if you don't like immigrants. We could just leave that damned fence alone.

Do you want the price of your house to bubble up again?

Or, do people just feel like complaining about something, and complaining about "the economy" just seems a bit deeper than complaining about the weather?

Oh God! I can't believe you accuse me of trolling! :roll:


Well, this amounts to a troll response.



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13 Sep 2011, 8:17 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
pandabear wrote:
I think that our factories are producing all that we really need. Anything else we can import. So, what's the big deal if some people don't have "jobs?" It isn't as if they would be doing anything really useful if they did have "jobs." We're already producing all the stuff we need. We've become sufficient efficient at producing stuff that we really don't need full employment to produce all that we need.


Yes maybe things we need are produced and can be imported but that does not help people who can not afford these things they need...and not having a job or other source of income tends to have that effect.


True, and you would like people to be able to afford what they need. Who but a "Conservative" wouldn't agree?

The government could provide jobs, as Roosevelt did during the depression.

We could lower the retirement age, increase welfare programs.

The "Conservatives" will say "Cut Taxes for the Rich!", but, even prior to Roosevelt, taxes were quite low and there were still periods of high unemployment.



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13 Sep 2011, 8:50 am

pandabear wrote:
Do you think that unemployment is too high? Well, maybe we just don't need everyone to be employed, anyway. Plus, high unemployment may discourage immigration, if you don't like immigrants. We could just leave that damned fence alone.

Unfortunately being a wellfare recipient will never be glamorous and, especially for men, it will continue to be a state of worthlessness and personal/social inferiority. Its also a state where you're only worth two things - your social skills and your ability to fight. I struggle to understand what aspie in their right mind would want to see more of that.


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13 Sep 2011, 9:04 am

pandabear wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
pandabear wrote:
I think that our factories are producing all that we really need. Anything else we can import. So, what's the big deal if some people don't have "jobs?" It isn't as if they would be doing anything really useful if they did have "jobs." We're already producing all the stuff we need. We've become sufficient efficient at producing stuff that we really don't need full employment to produce all that we need.


Yes maybe things we need are produced and can be imported but that does not help people who can not afford these things they need...and not having a job or other source of income tends to have that effect.


True, and you would like people to be able to afford what they need. Who but a "Conservative" wouldn't agree?

The government could provide jobs, as Roosevelt did during the depression.

We could lower the retirement age, increase welfare programs.

The "Conservatives" will say "Cut Taxes for the Rich!", but, even prior to Roosevelt, taxes were quite low and there were still periods of high unemployment.


Not quite sure how that relates to my comment...I am not really pro-conservative or any other political party,



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13 Sep 2011, 9:32 am

One of the biggest issues with the economy in the United States is the trade deficit. We import more than three times what we export. This means the money in our economy is steadily leaving our borders, exiting our economy. If we make a composite characterization of the 'pie' as 'finite' despite 'growth', an old timer would say 'before you know it there will be no more pie left'. With growth, and more so inflation, the economy keeps turning and relativistically maintaining (the pie), but we will be in trouble if the trade deficit doesn't turn around. The economy works by the mass of cash turning, and people taking their share at each transaction. If there is less going around, there is less profit for every revolution of the dough. Now our government wants to enact more trade agreements with south america and other places. If they fail as bad as other trade agreements in assuring economic sovreignity for american workers/businesses, the pie will get smaller.

I think in modern times another issue is the expendible nature of our wares. In the past, people paid good money for good things, everybody needed one, so local or 'terrestrial' business sold a lot of stuff, just not as often, at a higher profit margin, and people eventually had more extra money to buy other stuff in the same fashion. Now a days, we are constantly re-buying stuff we need on account of disposable or dispensable goods. Stuff lasts a few years, instead of a few decades, whether by breaking or a shinier model coming out. We trash the old and fork out dough for the new, that was manufactured over seas, which the purchase of only minutely benefits foreign workers and mainly benefits the corporations. The sale of goods is an official volume oriented business.

The fixes are many but all that gets done about it is talk. China needs to properly evaluate their currency. We need stronger language in trade agreements to minimize or eliminate our trade deficit. We need to make out sourcing labor and serives less attractive to big businesses. We need to do more to cease the foreign acquisition of terrestrial businesses. There needs to be monitary incentive for small businesses to be able to compete with market moguls. The free market, and capitalism, was designed with monopolies, duopolies, and market saturating giganta-corporations accounted for. The principals of old have been discarded, now we all inadvertently serve the mighty dollar on behalf of the unrelenting rich elite.



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13 Sep 2011, 9:39 am

Janissy wrote:
pandabear wrote:
...Do you think that unemployment is too high? Well, maybe we just don't need everyone to be employed, anyway. Plus, high unemployment may discourage immigration, if you don't like immigrants. We could just leave that damned fence alone.


It's this. Unemployment is too high. We don't need everyone to be employed. A healthy economy can support some unemployed people (via retirement benefits, disability benefits, welfare benefits, only needing one spouse to work, college loans, family support).

There's a difference between Employment and having a job. Trend is that employment will shrink even more whilst it is replaced by more independent work.


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