Diagnostic Criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Diso

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Can this be overlapping with Asperger; does someone recognise this syndrome?



A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant or haughty behaviours

one main difference while the Narcissist wants to be the center of attention-an aspie doesn't they are overwhelmed in social situations and in my case I will try to hide and not be the person saying "look at me I am great-worship me and my life!" I want to hide and we are the way we are by a neurological difference-I do not believe its from birth in NPD-also I don't think I am self important I think usually I am insignificant and ignored and do not try to attract attention to myself

Yeah but this behavior can also been seen in mania during a bipolar episode. Unfortunately though a bipolar person will go from that to being neurotic in a depressive phase, and without either personality disorder necessarily being a true part of their personality. The reason it's relevant that it occurs in bipolar is because there are a lot of aspies who do have bipolar as a co-morbid, so sometimes during mania they will experience a little taste of Narcissism, of course it's not as frequent in people who have avoidant personalities I think they're more likely to get paranoid during a manic phase. In reality anyone can have any kind of mental disorder in almost any combination, without completely fitting into one category neatly, and with their own individual responses to treatments which is why today's psychiatry should be revised to see the individual person's needs rather than try to fit them into a neat category along with other very unique individuals. Labeling hopefully will eventually become pointless. People will still get the help they need but there won't be a specific label above their head for all to see. The reason why people like having labels is because they want to fit into a category of other like minded people in the case of AS I've experienced this, but to me that is starting to seem stupid. I found myself somehow amongst all my disorders/labels, and I realized that I'm still different even from other people with AS just like I'm different from an NT.

A nice quick way to identify an NPD online.

Facebook.
More than a normal number of "friends". Will add almost anyone and consider it a fanbase.
Excessive number of self pics/somatic pics (shirtless, bikini, full kissy face, vapid stares at the camera, etc).
Excessive number of posts about everyday events. Calling for attention (narcissistic supply).

The NPD lack of empathy is not autistic in that it overwhelms and is avoided. It's true apathy in that the NPD will either have a "value" for the person or "devalue" the person. Nothing in between. It's called "splitting". People are either useful or in the way. Manipulative. May attack or ignore those that are devalued. Will call devalued "friends" to prove themselves to them in order to be considered useful again.

Cerebral NPD - Know-it-alls (but they actually don't) may be confused with an aspie spouting knowledge about a specialty. They use big words inappropriately and frequently.
Somatic NPD - Not usually confused with aspies. They are the "Jersey Shore" types. Social and promiscuous. Athletic. Focus on appearance.

They come in pairs and packs. Good and bad.
Sherlock Holmes (Cerebral NPD) and Watson (Cerbral Co-dependant NPD).
Mean Girls (Somatic Leader NPD and Somatic Co-dependants NPD)
Frat Guy Stereotypes/Football player stereotypes in movies. (Somatic NPD Leader and Somatic co-dependants)
Old versions of Batman and Robin (a bit of everything there somatic and cerebral)
Beauty Pageant Mothers, Sports Parents, Competitive Parents (Dominant somatic NPD co-dependant projecting on children)

..I'll stop there for now.

Thnaks for those postings, but there are too many labels out there and new ones are made every day it seems. to meet the pharmaco ends?

This NPD thing? I found it on the NET about Paul Guaguin. Researchers believed he was.

Labels are a good thing in terms of personality types in my opinion. But as a whole we remain unable to be catagorized even when our personalities can be labeled. The key is that we are not just our personality. Our personality (this includes intellect) coupled with our experiences make us who we are. Nature and nurture intertwined, one can cause the other and vice versa. So when experience is factored in we truly become unique. But at the same time parts of us can be catagorized and altered/treated. This is a task given to the fields of psychology, psychiatry, neurology, behaviorism, etc.

These fields are still growing as all other sciences do. The mind is a very complex organ and we have yet to master it so we will witness such innovations at an accelerated rate throughout our lifetime. Expect it and recognize it as a beneficial evolutionary concept and not a flaw.

Know your Horse's name and you will be a better rider.

Yes some things have gotten better over time. But in the field of psychiatry are they more interested in helping future generations, or making obnoxious profits that will eventually lead to a nation wide deterioration in mental health? The new DSM 5 criteria for ADD is so loosened the likely hood that people with out it or doctors will abuse the system is too high. I fear for the future of Canada and the US. It's bad enough with a world economic crisis. How much further are we gonna flush ourselves down the toilet. That's why I question the very validity of labels especially any new ones coming out.

I have a couple of things to say on that:

1. In order for you to have a personality disorder the traits really need to be present to an extent where they are causing you significant problems in your day to day life - otherwise they are just personality traits, not a disorder

2. Simply reading diagnostic criteria it is possible to find elements of yourself in pretty much anything, especially if you are the type of person who is sensitive to your faults. You really need to do a lot more research to try to get behind the diagnosis and understand what it means before you can begin to wonder whether it applies to you. In my experience, usually on further investigation you will find that it really isn't you (although with AS-related issues I am finding the opposite is true)

If this sounds critical, it is not meant to - hopefully you will find it reassuring.

That's strange about Gauguin I couldn't picture him as a narc... I remember reading a biography book about him and I thought he was a pretty reserved guy socially..

People with AS or even any severe chemical disorder, imo are a lot less likely to be narcissistic...

A lot of people with AS tend to rant and ramble to/about themselves as well which -could- be seen as narcissistic by someone who doesn't understand that the rambling/monologuing tendencies is AS/eccentric not necessarily narcisstic IMO... It's more like an open/not caring or noticing other people/attempt at figuring out social situations or obsessing (yeah I am cop-out defending my self but I don't see my self as a narc just because my life tends to follow a pattern of me getting a lot of attention from people *i do not want* -_-)'

I just think, a lot of y2k people of my gen, are pretty narcissistic as well, I know some NT's who are complete complete hypocrites and will blame people forbeing narc/drama queen, etc even tho they are the ones actually *trying* to get attention, it's a projection

Just one thing about this: For AsPD and NPD, it becomes the contrary. The deeper they are affected, the less issues they have in their lives. Since controlling their environment to achieve their goals is a big part of the "personality", the more affected they are, the more high functionning and unaffected they become.

In the ICD 10 (which is what we commonly use in Europe) any diagnosis of personality disorder should meet the general personality disorder criteria which state that (among other things):

"2. The deviation must manifest itself pervasively as behaviour that is inflexible, maladaptive, or otherwise dysfunctional across a broad range of personal and social situations (i.e. not being limited to one specific "triggering" stimulus or situation)
3. There is personal distress, or adverse impact on the social environment, or both, clearly attributable to the behaviour referred to in criterion 2."

My interpretation has always been that a personality disorder would cause an individual problems, although whether the individual concerned would perceive them as problems, what they would identify as the cause etc. is another matter. Also, diagnostic criteria aside, if there is genuinely no problem, then what would be the purpose or need for a diagnostic label?