Society, delusion, technology and worries.

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21 Dec 2011, 12:48 am

I'm worried about my thoughts and views on life, so I'd like a second opinion.


I've always believed society is something made to convenience the basic necessities of life, in relation to religion being created to give hope and something to believe in for the people in need of it and spread fear and prevent acts of anti-social behavior.

Yet, the above two, also introduce negative counterparts, when something becomes easy to obtain, there will always be those that want more of it. Where there is spread hope and fear and given a higher force to believe in, it will be abused.

Now regarding technology, I strongly believe that advancing further technologically at this point in the human state of mind, is something wrong.
Imagine if you will, I create a pill allowing a person to live up to 500 years of age, disease free. Quality and quantity of life improved, overpopulation ever so close.
I don't think I'm a negative person, I just like to view both sides of the coin.

Now, lets get on to my worries,
I don't want to be a part of society as a whole, to have a job, pay taxes and those things, would only financially support the employers, who are on a mission to make as much money as they can through exploitation of resources or human beings.
I don't find it normal a person has to sacrifice a minimum of 8 hours a day working, not even counting travel and preparation time.

On a last note, I realize some of the ideas I posted relate to ted kaczynski (aka the unabomber), but I'd like to strongly express the mistakes I see he made.

It's not possible to change society, violent acts are deemed as anti-social behavior and will only strengthen the current society as a whole, therefore will achieve nothing in my eyes and is one of the reasons I am against violence.
Relating to said person also worries me, I'm basically relating to a guy blowing people up, while I can say with 100% certainty, that I won't be doing the same. It does trouble me in some way.

One of my major issues seems to be that people seem to not think or want to think about these things, everyone seems preoccupied with small and insignificant problems.
I wonder why I can't seem to meet people who can just shut up and enjoy the world turning, the grass growing and knowing that an average one one star is born ever year, to just name a few things.



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21 Dec 2011, 12:53 am

Uhhh

Whenever you spend money anywhere you support a business. It's called a trade...

No offense or anything. But I would research 'Game Theory'. Even NT's worry about those sorts of things.



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21 Dec 2011, 12:57 am

Society is an epiphenomenon of everyone pandering to their needs, desires and cravings, yes. That's why autism is the necessary next stage of evolution, because we can see the big picture. Otherwise self-destruction is inevitable.



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21 Dec 2011, 12:59 am

fraac wrote:
Society is an epiphenomenon of everyone pandering to their needs, desires and cravings, yes. That's why autism is the necessary next stage of evolution, because we can see the big picture. Otherwise self-destruction is inevitable.


That's a strong statement. I'm dellusional from time to time - so saying that my AS is the key to unlocking human happiness isn't entirely accurate.

Humans crave and desire and have been programmed to do so since the beginning of time. The study of micro economics suggests that all individuals will act to optimize their utility.



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21 Dec 2011, 1:15 am

I get excited watching videos of killer whales attacking great white sharks. I cheer for the mammals. So my sense of family extends that far, and maybe no further because I'm quite smallminded. If humanity is to have any hope, our relentless pursuit of comfort for ourselves and our kin would be far less destructive using the widest possible definition of kin.



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21 Dec 2011, 1:21 am

Personally I'm rooting for the squids to take over once humans destroy themselves. Cephalopods are smart. (this is meant as a dark joke, by the way).



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21 Dec 2011, 1:30 am

I'm not sure if what Fraac wrote was sarcarsm or serious so I'l take it serious and respond in such a way.
I do believe all people can see the big picture, some might not, but everyone can. I just don't get why I'm so obsessed with the big picture.
While talking to others about certain things, I notice that they agree to most things I say, yet when discussed it feels like nothing more then a discussion about a stain on a table cloth.
And while a certain form of AS might be the cure to unlocking human happyness, unfortunately there are many forms and most don't lead to that path.

I realise individuals will act to optimize utility, but there are exceptions to that rule. I just dislike human nature I guess, the constant pointless struggle for power, even if someone were to succeed in a global war leading to every country united under the same flag, someone to take over would be lurking around the corner, and the endless cycle, will be what it is.

I really don't like how depressed I come off as, because I get a certain joy knowing the things I do, even if they do bother me at times.



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21 Dec 2011, 2:01 am

if you don't like technology, why are you using the internet?



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21 Dec 2011, 2:16 am

Take some time to chill out in a sauna or a steam room. I think that might cure what ales ya.



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21 Dec 2011, 2:16 am

cathylynn wrote:
if you don't like technology, why are you using the internet?


Hey why not, the Unabomber had an online presidential campaign in 1996.



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21 Dec 2011, 2:50 am

I think as far as technology is concerned.. I see it only being in issue in resources which are limited. I don't see humans living for over 500 years no matter how far we progress technology. I could be wrong here.. but by the time we reach that point I see us being extinct--and if we aren't, don't be surprised if there are laws passed to prevent overpopulation. (More than what we have) Its acceptable to an extent, we label the prejudge and label the homeless and poor as all being lazy and unmotivated when the truth is certain people have simply been failed miserably by this supposedly "working" system.


Nioz wrote:
I do believe all people can see the big picture, some might not, but everyone can. I just don't get why I'm so obsessed with the big picture.
While talking to others about certain things, I notice that they agree to most things I say, yet when discussed it feels like nothing more then a discussion about a stain on a table cloth.


I think the reason why they see it that way is because no one has the energy to change anything . To make REAL change imo is something you'd have to dedicate your life too. For changes you won't even enjoy for the majority of your life (if they're put into effect asap). Believe in an afterlife? Don't believe in it? Whatever your preference just how much of life are you willing to toil away at forever? Now this can be broken down, change can occur slowly... throughout generations. But lets say thats your plan.. your life isn't guaranteed, nothing is even close to guaranteed. People die casually throughout the day without anyone being aware of it. I've seen articles the past month of people dying who are younger than I am (25) in the past month.

Ask people who had horrible earth quakes and floodings, something casual designed by nature that humans are powerless against-- lets dumb it down and say you simply get hit by a car tomorrow? Choke to death on a piece of food? Find out you have a rare form of cancer?

This is why. Ideals for the future (imo) are generally selfless, then keep in mind how much control you really have over the way the world works. Everyone isn't just preoccupied with things that seem small and insignificant to you--they're preoccupied with obtaining their own happiness which includes having a certain amount of selfishness with the time that they have.

They're literally trying to grab any and everything that they're interested in, emotionally and physically and use it up before the end. Almost every human works likes this to some extent in my opinion whether they're aware of it or not.

People are going to do what they want, its all preferential.



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21 Dec 2011, 2:54 am

My idea was to create a production line of Jesuses. I could do that, I think.



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21 Dec 2011, 8:27 pm

Nioz wrote:
It's not possible to change society, violent acts are deemed as anti-social behavior and will only strengthen the current society as a whole, therefore will achieve nothing in my eyes and is one of the reasons I am against violence.
people seem to not think or want to think about these things, everyone seems preoccupied with small and insignificant problems.
I wonder why I can't seem to meet people who can just shut up and enjoy the world turning, the grass growing and knowing that an average one one star is born ever year, to just name a few things.


Destructive behavior is not the answer. It is possible to change society; but only in small ways. Make the best of yourself. You are as important as any star.



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21 Dec 2011, 9:46 pm

fraac wrote:
My idea was to create a production line of Jesuses. I could do that, I think.


Then we could each have our own Personal Jesus. :P