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SoulPower
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23 Dec 2011, 10:52 pm

Hey guys, I'm new here...I've had struggles through life due to being an aspie, and I continue to even though I'm finally out of the public school system. My journey has been unique; I remember having friends in elementary school, but then in middle school and high school I was pretty socially awkward and felt like I was out of my element. I'm now in college and I've done a lot of self improvement. I no longer worry about not being able to connect with people and get their contact info. One thing I struggle with sometimes is actually making plans to hang out, which is a huge issue for me, especially during vacations. I usually need other people to find things to do with, or else I get bored as hell on my own surfing the web, etc.

I attribute my social successes and self-improvement largely to learning about "The Game," which is quite a controversial subject. Yes, learning the principles of interaction used by PUAs (pickup artists for those who don't know the lingo) has been very helpful for my social skills and friendships. Not the showing disinterest stuff and insulting people to lower their value. That's mostly BS to be honest, and should only be used jokingly and flirtatiously. Aside from cold approaching random people, I've used other aspects of Game to improve my interactions with classmates and friends in college. It's great and it really works, but you have to put the time in to getting out of your comfort zone. A little discomfort will yield tremendous results, in my experience.

I'm wondering if anyone else has seen improvements in their overall social life and well-being through learning the Game, or the "natural" approach to meeting and attracting women. I recently joined a research study group that is studying the phenomenon of the Game changing and dramatically improving the social skills and lives of people on the Autism spectrum. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, I'd love to tell you all about this study and encourage your participation.

I realize this applies to guys mostly, but don't be shy if you're a woman with an opinion! I'm not here to offend anyone or stir up any negative emotions. I'm only here to share my story with you fellow aspergians. :)


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23 Dec 2011, 11:12 pm

Yes, I improved from an AQ=37 to AQ=17 over 15 years using primarily game.

Scores are from the piepalace aspergers online test.

I don't know if you want me for the research, since I was never diagnosed, and couldn't be now.



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23 Dec 2011, 11:29 pm

What is drastically changing that they need to conduct a study?



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23 Dec 2011, 11:45 pm

WhiteWidow wrote:
What is drastically changing that they need to conduct a study?

The changes lie in an understanding of social interaction and people in general, and it leads to MAJOR improvements in one's social life. I remember being friendless and clueless about how to even start a conversation with someone. Now I can see things on a much deeper level and understand the unspoken dynamics between people. A lot of it has also helped me understand theory of mind, simply by experiencing with different people and having conversations with people in day to day situations.


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24 Dec 2011, 2:04 am

What exactly is the "game"?


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24 Dec 2011, 3:12 am

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@SoulPower: Do you suggest that there is a subset of advice in "the Game" that can be employed for meaningful and honest social interaction?

The impression that I got from what I have seen written about "pickup artists" and "The Game" has led me to conclude that it is about tricking and manipulating people (even possibly playing on their insecurities) which is something I have no wish to try whether it "works" or not.

Yes there certainly is some excellent advice out there. The #1 example that comes to mind is Real Social Dynamics. Sure there's stuff about how to approach women, which is useful, and can be used to approach people in general, but there's also information that may fundamentally change your beliefs. The Blueprint is very helpful in this way, as it attempts to remove the average person from the limits of social conditioning. The main idea is personal freedom, and it allows you to become more authentically yourself. This REALLY works. This is the foundation on which you build your identity, and I've found that it can liberate you enough to make you confident around other people. Thus, you're free to develop friendships and relationships.


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24 Dec 2011, 3:15 am

The Game teaches something I learned by myself: assume rapport. Just assume that you're friends already. Makes things so much easier. Some people hate it but most want you to do exactly that.



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24 Dec 2011, 3:38 am

I think I just lost The Game...

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24 Dec 2011, 3:39 am

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Also, as someone with an ASD I'm not sure that I need help to be freed from "social conditioning" or need any help to be "more authentically myself".


+1

Also, "The Game" sounds deeply creepy as do the people who espouse it.



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24 Dec 2011, 5:11 am

my ex said he got a lots out of the 'game' book and it helped raise his confidence and helped him socially.

personally I would prefer the leil lowndes books about making friends and without the PUA (she likes the game btw)

I think the game really falls down on not having advice on how to maintain relationships and friendships and I think this would have been useful for inexperienced people and aspies as its no good getting friends or lovers if you cant get on with them long term or resolve differences.

I think there is a real gap in the market for books on how to maintain relationships as an aspie as most relationship books are based on very NT skills and its hard to adjust their advice if you have those bits of you missing (empathy, communication skills, body language reading).



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24 Dec 2011, 5:41 am

While I'm glad you have experienced success with this strategy, if I have to change my personality, and manipulate people I'd rather be an outcast. I'm reminded of a quote from Groucho Marx: "I refuse to be a member of any club that would have me as a member" and frankly if that's the cost of admission, I'll pass thanks. :)



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24 Dec 2011, 12:20 pm

The Game has many different levels to it, and while some schools teach you to be manipulative, there are others that teach you to become more comfortable being yourself around other people. I can see that many of you here are comfortable with yourselves. That's great, and it's necessary for a healthy self-esteem! The real opportunity the Game presents, IMO, is that you can change if you want to.


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25 Dec 2011, 1:06 am

SoulPower wrote:
Hey guys, I'm new here...I've had struggles through life due to being an aspie, and I continue to even though I'm finally out of the public school system. My journey has been unique; I remember having friends in elementary school, but then in middle school and high school I was pretty socially awkward and felt like I was out of my element. I'm now in college and I've done a lot of self improvement. I no longer worry about not being able to connect with people and get their contact info. One thing I struggle with sometimes is actually making plans to hang out, which is a huge issue for me, especially during vacations. I usually need other people to find things to do with, or else I get bored as hell on my own surfing the web, etc.

I attribute my social successes and self-improvement largely to learning about "The Game," which is quite a controversial subject. Yes, learning the principles of interaction used by PUAs (pickup artists for those who don't know the lingo) has been very helpful for my social skills and friendships. Not the showing disinterest stuff and insulting people to lower their value. That's mostly BS to be honest, and should only be used jokingly and flirtatiously. Aside from cold approaching random people, I've used other aspects of Game to improve my interactions with classmates and friends in college. It's great and it really works, but you have to put the time in to getting out of your comfort zone. A little discomfort will yield tremendous results, in my experience.

I'm wondering if anyone else has seen improvements in their overall social life and well-being through learning the Game, or the "natural" approach to meeting and attracting women. I recently joined a research study group that is studying the phenomenon of the Game changing and dramatically improving the social skills and lives of people on the Autism spectrum. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, I'd love to tell you all about this study and encourage your participation.

I realize this applies to guys mostly, but don't be shy if you're a woman with an opinion! I'm not here to offend anyone or stir up any negative emotions. I'm only here to share my story with you fellow aspergians. :)


I warn you to be very careful with Pick Up Artistry. While that community does over numerous peices of good advice, it also offers bad advice. So be careful.