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Who will win the American Presidential election?
George W. Bush 17%  17%  [ 20 ]
George W. Bush 17%  17%  [ 20 ]
John Kerry 33%  33%  [ 39 ]
John Kerry 33%  33%  [ 39 ]
Total votes : 118

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08 Jul 2004, 5:36 am

I live here in Australia, and the American Presidency is one of my special interests. We have elections coming up later in the year and the American Presidential election is in November. I think George W. Bush is a lunatic and a warmonger and deserves to lose the election. What do you guys, especially in America think will happen at the coming election? Will Bush win or will John Kerry win do you think? It'll be interesting to read your thoughts. :)



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08 Jul 2004, 7:59 am

I think Kerry will win, because, like you said:

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I think George W. Bush is a lunatic and a warmonger and deserves to lose the election.


I totally agree with that. After all, George practically got his way in because there was another president (I think he's Bush's father) named George Bush.

:!: Mich :?:



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08 Jul 2004, 8:14 am

Bush deserves to lose, but that doesn't mean he will. Never underestimate the stupidity of humans.



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08 Jul 2004, 11:56 am

Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups!

Even though I lost my last job because Bush thought that HIV in other countries is more important than educating people about HIV in the U.S. (someone explain that to me! My grant got cut) my parents still think he is perfect . . .

Go figure . . .



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08 Jul 2004, 11:59 am

Yes, Bush's father being a former president was an important part of Bush winning the 2000 election. Another important factor was that he was the governor of Texas for many years and was remembered by most Texans as being a very good governor.



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08 Jul 2004, 12:40 pm

I have mixed feeling for Bush, on the one hand I'm glad he's trying to do something about the terroists who think it's their mission from god to destroy the US and all who live there. On the other hand, if conservatives ever got the kind of wellfare system in place that they dream of, people like many of us aspies would be either locked up in an institution or living out on the streets. If you ever listen to (the recovering drug addict - "Mind over matter" - cough! cough!) Rush Limbaugh, you'll eventually hear him say that disorders like chronic fatigue syndrome, carpal tunnel syndrome, ADD, et al, are nothing more than diseases made up by liberals as an excuse to describe people's "laziness". I don't want these people in power.

But then again I not very thrilled with Kerry and Edwards either.



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08 Jul 2004, 12:50 pm

I'm not thrilled with any of the candidates, but for the reasons described in the last post, there is no way I'm voting for Bush. I know things will in many ways go downhill with him, and with someone else there's at least a chance that at least things will start looking better, rather than a certainty that things will get worse. Unfortunately that's about all I can probably hope for in voting this year.



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08 Jul 2004, 7:29 pm

If George Bush wins the Election, I will MOVE TO MONTREAL!! !!




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(Hopefully, that won't be nesscary! :D )



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08 Jul 2004, 8:18 pm

I sure hope Bush does not win! That would be absolutely horrible! I can't even count the number of ways he's horrible for our country! I'd elaborate, but it looks like I'm preaching to the choir.

That said, though, I think there's a good chance Bush is going to win the election. Or rather, become President again for another four years. :-(

It's soooooo close. Just baareeelyy tipped on the side of Kerry. But between Ralph Nadar, electronic voting, and whatever Bush can pull out of his hat before the elections....it's looking like Bush is going to win.



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08 Jul 2004, 9:25 pm

I also think the Electoral College system gives guys like George Bush a big advantage. If it were a just a election centred around a popular vote, than Kerry would probably win. Al Gore had half a million more popular votes than Bush in 2000, but in the Electoral College it was very tight and Bush won narrowly. Al Gore would be kicking himself by not carrying his home state of Tennessee, and obviously the fiasco in Florida was of no help to him either. I do agree that Ralph Nader's presence again unfortunately will cost Kerry a lot of votes although he may not get on the ballot in all states. I did read on the Internet that he missed out on getting on the Arizona ballot.



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08 Jul 2004, 11:37 pm

I think Kerry should get into the White House, without a doubt! The only way he couldn't would occur if Dubya nailed the front doors shut.

Bush is a maniac, this is true, but you have to admit that he is an admirable maniac at least. He was very popular for a while, a couple of years ago - with all his rednecked patriotic fervour [Lets roast bin Laden and all those other folks]. The American voting public is a fickle electorate.

P.s. Kerry has better hair!! !



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09 Jul 2004, 1:08 am

The Electoral College system, as far as I understand it, sucks royally. Every citizen in the United States who wants to (except black people turned away at Florida's last election) votes on who shall be the next president. Then, all those votes are discarded and ignored. The statistics about those votes are given to the Electoral College who then votes on the president however they wish.

So in other words, you don't vote for the President. You don't even vote to appoint the people who vote for the President. You vote for the people (congress) who vote to appoint the people who vote for the President. And the Supreme Court is worse! You vote for the people (congress) who vote to appoint the people who vote for the person who selects the people your congress gives the stamp of approval (since they're all Republicans just like the president) to become Supreme Court Judges for life. Is it any wonder there are only old, rich, white attorneys in that position of power?

Ah well, at least the until bad behavior term limit keeps them somewhat free of retribution by corporate lobbyists.



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09 Jul 2004, 2:32 am

The electoral college system, I agree, is an outdated institution. In the age before mass media, cars, and railroads, it was probably a lot more convenient for electors to cast their vote on the President. But right now it doesn't do a lot for democracy, I don't think.

I think it was one of those things, also, put in so that the "rabble" wouldn't have too much influence in politics. There were some founders who were less democratic -- and, granted, a pure democracy would not work -- but some of our founders were worried about a sort of "mobocracy" to overcome the government and wreak havok. But these days the havok-wreaking is more of the organized variety.



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09 Jul 2004, 4:31 am

Once such a system gets put in place, it is undoubtedly a massive undertaking to improve or replace the system. Ugh. No need for me to remind why we are still on the Desktop metaphor in computer OSes. :D

I'm for more of a technocracy myself, or at least a society where scientists are not necessarily "mad" but definitely respected for their esteemed lifelong work, even eccentric -- I think there's too much irrational fear and misconceptions about science and its place as a useful tool to human beings... and all too often I hear boogeyman superstitions and lame quackery.



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09 Jul 2004, 5:29 am

Yeah. I'm not in favor of the electoral college, but I'm not in favor of removing it either. I mean, if we remove such a basic constitutional thing, what's next? Separation of powers? Freedom of speech? A very slippery slope.



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09 Jul 2004, 5:30 am

Oh boy... yeah... the far-reaching ramifications of any near action leads to long-term consequences. But then again, there are risks and rewards. Still, as America is in such a precarious state at the present, it will not be easy.