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19 Jan 2012, 3:02 am

Is this a sign of autism?


I have difficulty maintaining friendships. Actually it’s not difficulty but more like apathy on my part. I like my friends, but don’t feel the need to see them or talk to them. Occasionally one of them would invite me out, and I’d go and have a good time. But I don’t feel the urge to keep in touch with them and I don’t call or email them. Needless to say I don’t have a facebook or twitter account either. And if I do feel like contacting a friend, I feel bad that I haven't for so long that I end up not doing it.

I have some degree of social anxiety in large groups like parties. I don’t like going to those. But in work settings I can be confident and am a pretty good public speaker.

Essentially I have zero social life, but I’m busy. In my free time I exercise, spend time with my wife and kids, watch TV and movies at home, or play computer games. At work I sometimes have lunch with co-workers, but never see them outside of work. I'm perfectly happy and don’t feel lonely, but I wonder if that’s because I have some autistic tendencies. I’ve always felt a bit “different”, and my 5 yr old son has high-functioning autism.



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19 Jan 2012, 3:08 am

I could have written this about myself. I am pretty sure this is typical ASD stuff.



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19 Jan 2012, 3:35 am

You could just be an introvert. It's not enough to say that you do have autism.

I have apathy towards friendships because I don't really think about them and they can be very difficult to keep up. I'm probably not explaining that properly. I never ask people if they want to go out. I never want to get too involved or hear about any drama, I'm more of a buddy, a drinking buddy to be more precise. When I'm not around friends I barely think about them. I do like to see them on the day we plan to see each other but I get tired easy, as in physically and mentally exhausted. Most times I have to medicate to get through a social encounter.

My reason for not wanting to socialise has to do with the amount of stress I go through, both sensory and emotional. I don't have much social anxiety these days, but I hate to be judged and having to constantly try to detect sarcasm and when someone is truly being offensive. I don't like it when people think they are just teasing me for being a bit different. I find it insulting and an attempt for them to make me change my ways.

I don't like to balance a social life with taking care of my basic needs and my special interests.


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19 Jan 2012, 3:46 am

pensieve wrote:
You could just be an introvert. It's not enough to say that you do have autism.

I have apathy towards friendships because I don't really think about them and they can be very difficult to keep up. I'm probably not explaining that properly. I never ask people if they want to go out. I never want to get too involved or hear about any drama, I'm more of a buddy, a drinking buddy to be more precise. When I'm not around friends I barely think about them. I do like to see them on the day we plan to see each other but I get tired easy, as in physically and mentally exhausted. Most times I have to medicate to get through a social encounter.

My reason for not wanting to socialise has to do with the amount of stress I go through, both sensory and emotional. I don't have much social anxiety these days, but I hate to be judged and having to constantly try to detect sarcasm and when someone is truly being offensive. I don't like it when people think they are just teasing me for being a bit different. I find it insulting and an attempt for them to make me change my ways.

I don't like to balance a social life with taking care of my basic needs and my special interests.


Wow, we sure have a lot of similarities. I too barely think about my friends when I'm not around them. I don't get tired easily, and I don't feel stressed when I'm with friends, but I do feel stressed with strangers in a social setting.

Ironically I rarely get teased by acquaintances or friends, but I get teased a lot by family and my parents. I used to get really upset by it, but I've learned to cope with it after 37 years. I still get teased for a poor sense of direction, for being a klutz, for being shy or unsociable, blah blah blah. My parents are the worst sometimes. Sigh



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19 Jan 2012, 4:08 am

red_ryder wrote:
pensieve wrote:
You could just be an introvert. It's not enough to say that you do have autism.

I have apathy towards friendships because I don't really think about them and they can be very difficult to keep up. I'm probably not explaining that properly. I never ask people if they want to go out. I never want to get too involved or hear about any drama, I'm more of a buddy, a drinking buddy to be more precise. When I'm not around friends I barely think about them. I do like to see them on the day we plan to see each other but I get tired easy, as in physically and mentally exhausted. Most times I have to medicate to get through a social encounter.

My reason for not wanting to socialise has to do with the amount of stress I go through, both sensory and emotional. I don't have much social anxiety these days, but I hate to be judged and having to constantly try to detect sarcasm and when someone is truly being offensive. I don't like it when people think they are just teasing me for being a bit different. I find it insulting and an attempt for them to make me change my ways.

I don't like to balance a social life with taking care of my basic needs and my special interests.


Wow, we sure have a lot of similarities. I too barely think about my friends when I'm not around them. I don't get tired easily, and I don't feel stressed when I'm with friends, but I do feel stressed with strangers in a social setting.

Ironically I rarely get teased by acquaintances or friends, but I get teased a lot by family and my parents. I used to get really upset by it, but I've learned to cope with it after 37 years. I still get teased for a poor sense of direction, for being a klutz, for being shy or unsociable, blah blah blah. My parents are the worst sometimes. Sigh

My family does it the most. My sister thinks every time I bring up autism or some trait about how different I am she thinks I'm trying to make it sound like I am better than her and other people. I just like talking about it. I don't think I'm better just extremely different. My family is what I call hyper social. Every one of them, down to youngest members, except for the newborn baby, so I feel really really different and when not medicated it gets to me.

My friends haven't said anything irritating in a long while, though I really hate how some of them use internet slang in everyday conversations. One is just a year older than you.

I'm just committed on my projects and see socialising as a very long and unnecessary interruption. Although now I'm on a break.

My sensory issues, especially sound, probably bring me to a meltdown before I even get to socialise and after that happens I won't settle down. I might just switch off or get irritated, and the irritation turns into apathy and that turns into snapping or acting like some type of angsty teenager.


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19 Jan 2012, 4:48 am

I can't seem to live happily without any friends at all, but I tend to go for one big, exclusive relationship........that generally feels like it's enough for me, being as simple as it gets (I only have to fathom one mind). I know it's almost universally believed that such a life would drive anybody insane, with so much invested in just one person and very few spaces between the couple, but I never feel the need to be with other friends at all strongly, while a partner is satisfying my needs for company. So I have to almost force myself to bother much with others, and I have some success at that in spite of the increased complexity. We might go out as a couple and try to mingle a bit, but always keeping an eye out for each other so that neither of us gets ignored for too long. If we manage to talk with a person or two, fine, but there's no great urge to invite people round very often. Ideally we would probably look for other couples to swap visits with (three tends to be a crowd), but without any sense of urgency at all. Making friends is hard......it's so hard to know who to trust, especially when one has a partner to lose.....things can get complicated. But I think there has to be outside influence in the mix, even if it's only a trace, otherwise "nobody likes me" just becomes "nobody likes us" and when the novelty has worn off the relationship, that can feel very unhappy.

Outside a relationship, I become more outgoing to the world (or my carefully-selected bits of it), and may invest a lot in that, but most of it is likely to get cut back if I find somebody special......I try never to erase anybody from my life unless they're dangerous, but there is often a big "demotion" and I tend to feel guilty and sad about that. But it's the only way I've ever worked.



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19 Jan 2012, 5:45 am

I'm sort of the opposite.....I think I'm much much warmer towards my friends and boyfriends than with my own FAMILY......explain that one.........?? I know I have a lot of family that want me and love me but I just don't see the need to be with them, or talk with them.....help me sort that one out!! >_< Anyone....anyone.....



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19 Jan 2012, 6:24 am

Penandinkmarie wrote:
I'm sort of the opposite.....I think I'm much much warmer towards my friends and boyfriends than with my own FAMILY......explain that one.........?? I know I have a lot of family that want me and love me but I just don't see the need to be with them, or talk with them.....help me sort that one out!! >_< Anyone....anyone.....

I know of a case of that, and I myself was very distant from my family....I've mellowed, but they're mostly dead now the only one I talk to much is my sister, and I'm still not in the habit of talking anything like as deeply with her as I've talked to unrelated people......I have my own lifestyle that my family wouldn't really understand, as if I were culturally quite a different fish. Yes it's odd. I put a lot of it down to restrictive upbringings, which I think can really poison trust and make the son or daughter feel afraid of getting sucked back into being controlled.



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19 Jan 2012, 6:38 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Penandinkmarie wrote:
I'm sort of the opposite.....I think I'm much much warmer towards my friends and boyfriends than with my own FAMILY......explain that one.........?? I know I have a lot of family that want me and love me but I just don't see the need to be with them, or talk with them.....help me sort that one out!! >_< Anyone....anyone.....

I know of a case of that, and I myself was very distant from my family....I've mellowed, but they're mostly dead now the only one I talk to much is my sister, and I'm still not in the habit of talking anything like as deeply with her as I've talked to unrelated people......I have my own lifestyle that my family wouldn't really understand, as if I were culturally quite a different fish. Yes it's odd. I put a lot of it down to restrictive upbringings, which I think can really poison trust and make the son or daughter feel afraid of getting sucked back into being controlled.


Funny you mention control, b/c it really could have something to do with my not wanting to be controlled, especially by family, but in my upbringing, I never really had restrictions....never gave my parents a reason to be strict with me, but I did have odd habits and things in my lifestyle they didn't approve of.....so maybe it has something to do with that??



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19 Jan 2012, 6:52 am

Penandinkmarie wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Penandinkmarie wrote:
I'm sort of the opposite.....I think I'm much much warmer towards my friends and boyfriends than with my own FAMILY......explain that one.........?? I know I have a lot of family that want me and love me but I just don't see the need to be with them, or talk with them.....help me sort that one out!! >_< Anyone....anyone.....

I know of a case of that, and I myself was very distant from my family....I've mellowed, but they're mostly dead now the only one I talk to much is my sister, and I'm still not in the habit of talking anything like as deeply with her as I've talked to unrelated people......I have my own lifestyle that my family wouldn't really understand, as if I were culturally quite a different fish. Yes it's odd. I put a lot of it down to restrictive upbringings, which I think can really poison trust and make the son or daughter feel afraid of getting sucked back into being controlled.


Funny you mention control, b/c it really could have something to do with my not wanting to be controlled, especially by family, but in my upbringing, I never really had restrictions....never gave my parents a reason to be strict with me, but I did have odd habits and things in my lifestyle they didn't approve of.....so maybe it has something to do with that??

I guess it would hinge on your gut reaction to letting them get close to you again......what feelings are behind th reluctance? What are you wary of? It could be that the control wasn't particularly abnormal but you still felt difficulties with the regime, because of not understanding why there were any restrictions. My own annoyance at parental control wasn't all that reasonable.....mostly an emotive rejection of anything that interfered with my freedom. But there could be other reasons for the gulf - I guess usually a person avoids another person because they're not very happy in their company, or they feel they can be happier with others. I tend to kind of favour people I don't know very well, because it's too early for challenging behaviour to show up, so they're much easier to get along with. When I get problems with a person, if I can't seem to solve them I tend to give up on them and feel happier starting over with a new person.....things get too messy otherwise. Though these days I've seen the folly of that approach, and try harder to repair messy friendships than I used to.



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19 Jan 2012, 7:42 am

I don't even feel like I care about or need real life friendships. Except for occasionally needing someone to do things for me or to have around if my anxiety gets really severe about certain things I probably wouldn't care if I never saw another human in real life again.

Even now I barely leave the house and don't really have real life friends. I have a couple I guess but if you mean a non family member that I don't live with and can call on the phone to chat or go out and do things with then I have no one.



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19 Jan 2012, 8:49 am

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I have difficulty maintaining friendships. Actually it’s not difficulty but more like apathy on my part. I like my friends, but don’t feel the need to see them or talk to them. Occasionally one of them would invite me out, and I’d go and have a good time. But I don’t feel the urge to keep in touch with them and I don’t call or email them. Needless to say I don’t have a facebook or twitter account either. And if I do feel like contacting a friend, I feel bad that I haven't for so long that I end up not doing it.

I have some degree of social anxiety in large groups like parties. I don’t like going to those. But in work settings I can be confident and am a pretty good public speaker.

Essentially I have zero social life, but I’m busy. In my free time I exercise, spend time with my wife and kids, watch TV and movies at home, or play computer games. At work I sometimes have lunch with co-workers, but never see them outside of work. I'm perfectly happy and don’t feel lonely, but I wonder if that’s because I have some autistic tendencies. I’ve always felt a bit “different”, and my 5 yr old son has high-functioning autism.


I'm exactly the same way, and I'm NT.

But you enjoy your wife and kids, right?



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19 Jan 2012, 9:15 am

My son has a diagnosis of Asperger's and he is very sociable and keen to spend time with others, plans parties and so on. I don't have a diagnosis and I am happy with my own company. Although I do enjoy spending time with friends, I can go for months without seeing them and not miss them.

Lack of interest in friends, a preference for being on your own or being introverted are not synonymous with autism.



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19 Jan 2012, 9:29 am

red_ryder wrote:
Is this a sign of autism?


I have difficulty maintaining friendships. Actually it’s not difficulty but more like apathy on my part. I like my friends, but don’t feel the need to see them or talk to them. Occasionally one of them would invite me out, and I’d go and have a good time. But I don’t feel the urge to keep in touch with them and I don’t call or email them. Needless to say I don’t have a facebook or twitter account either. And if I do feel like contacting a friend, I feel bad that I haven't for so long that I end up not doing it.

I have some degree of social anxiety in large groups like parties. I don’t like going to those. But in work settings I can be confident and am a pretty good public speaker.

Essentially I have zero social life, but I’m busy. In my free time I exercise, spend time with my wife and kids, watch TV and movies at home, or play computer games. At work I sometimes have lunch with co-workers, but never see them outside of work. I'm perfectly happy and don’t feel lonely, but I wonder if that’s because I have some autistic tendencies. I’ve always felt a bit “different”, and my 5 yr old son has high-functioning autism.


You might have avoidant personality disorder, and perhaps asperger's as well, especially with your 5-year-old son having asperger's too (high-functioning autism is basically asperger's, actually high-functioning autism isn't even an official diagnosis, asperger's is).

I have both APD and AS and my social life is pretty much like yours. I have a girlfriend but practically no friends nor social life (APD). There are a few moments every now and then where I feel like I should try to attain friends (I have no friends so something must be wrong with me), but then I quickly realize that it's futile not only because I have an apathy towards friendships but because my lack of social ability (asperger's) makes it practically impossible to attain friends or retain them.

Marcia is right that introversion is not synonymous with autism, but I'd say that it's far more common in asperger's than extroversion, especially in males.