This feels like the wrong planet in SO many ways!

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11 Feb 2012, 10:26 pm

Does anyone else feel like this?

Disregarding my Asperger's and all my other diagnoses, there is just so much in this world that is f****d up beyond reason. I can't grasp the insanity of it all sometimes! All the terrible things that happen, the terrible things that people do to one another, just makes me wish I lived on a planet where there was SOME semblance of sanity! I tend to get involved in debates quite often, as I am not afraid to openly express my opinions on controversial subjects, and sometimes I wonder if I'm making any difference or just taking years off my life.



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11 Feb 2012, 10:30 pm

I second that.



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11 Feb 2012, 11:16 pm

I also feel the same way. Life for me is like being on the wrong planet, the wrong gender which is actually female and feeling I'm a male who was born without a penis, that it's the wrong time - I should have been in my late teens and 20s in the 60s and 70s and being born in the wrong country. I feel that I should have been born in London, England and I look and sound like it as well.


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12 Feb 2012, 1:17 am

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12 Feb 2012, 2:49 am

You mentioned you like to get in debates on the topic - Exactly what are you arguing in favour of? It is not particularly controversial to say the world is messed up, and not many people are going to disagree with you, so there must be some controversial stance you hold that you have not mentioned.



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12 Feb 2012, 12:15 pm

It's funny actually. A friend of mine put it nicely. "How to start a debate on the internet: 1) state an opinion. 2) wait." That's pretty much been how it goes down.

A few pet issues:
Austism/Asperger's should strive to be accepted, not cured (this is probably a majority belief on this site, but with many NT's it's like saying we shouldn't find a cure for AIDS.) :roll:
Routine infant circumcision is a human rights violation, and should be illegal for both sexes (FGM was made illegal in the US in 1997, yet MGM continues in the US today, although rates are steadily declining.)
Spanking/hitting your kids is NEVER okay, and should be made illegal (why should it be okay to hit a child when it is illegal to hit an adult, who can at least defend themselves?)
It should be up to the parents to make an informed choice whether or not to vaccinate their child (I don't even have to say whether I vaccinate my own child or not, some people are appalled by the mere thought of informed consent.)
Breastfeeding should be accepted anytime, anywhere the mother and child are otherwise allowed to be (legislature supports this, but many breastfeeding moms are still harassed when nursing in public. I also do not believe they should have to "cover up".)

Anyway, there's a handful, just as an example. I have a few friends with WAY more controversial beliefs, and I get my fair share of support, but I do get a lot of people who want to debate, and I'm fine with that on occassion, but lately I'm getting burned out. However, I continue to support these issues publicly, because I know many people have changed their minds on these topics once they chose to look into them. Many people have gut reactions to such issues and start a debate without having researched the issue at all. This I don't understand. If I am not knowledgeable on a topic, I will research it before trying to debate anyone. But there I go with that silly logic...



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12 Feb 2012, 12:32 pm

Yes, this realm does seem rather bizarre to me.


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12 Feb 2012, 2:16 pm

I seem to migrate towards the least popular stand and I am not sure why. Other than that I can go a while stuck in my own mind and not be all that bothered by whatever people are doing with themselves.



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12 Feb 2012, 2:35 pm

Onewithwings wrote:
It's funny actually. A friend of mine put it nicely. "How to start a debate on the internet: 1) state an opinion. 2) wait." That's pretty much been how it goes down.

A few pet issues:
Austism/Asperger's should strive to be accepted, not cured (this is probably a majority belief on this site, but with many NT's it's like saying we shouldn't find a cure for AIDS.) :roll:
Routine infant circumcision is a human rights violation, and should be illegal for both sexes (FGM was made illegal in the US in 1997, yet MGM continues in the US today, although rates are steadily declining.)
Spanking/hitting your kids is NEVER okay, and should be made illegal (why should it be okay to hit a child when it is illegal to hit an adult, who can at least defend themselves?)
It should be up to the parents to make an informed choice whether or not to vaccinate their child (I don't even have to say whether I vaccinate my own child or not, some people are appalled by the mere thought of informed consent.)
Breastfeeding should be accepted anytime, anywhere the mother and child are otherwise allowed to be (legislature supports this, but many breastfeeding moms are still harassed when nursing in public. I also do not believe they should have to "cover up".)

Anyway, there's a handful, just as an example. I have a few friends with WAY more controversial beliefs, and I get my fair share of support, but I do get a lot of people who want to debate, and I'm fine with that on occassion, but lately I'm getting burned out. However, I continue to support these issues publicly, because I know many people have changed their minds on these topics once they chose to look into them. Many people have gut reactions to such issues and start a debate without having researched the issue at all. This I don't understand. If I am not knowledgeable on a topic, I will research it before trying to debate anyone. But there I go with that silly logic...


I agree on all counts!



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12 Feb 2012, 2:36 pm

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12 Feb 2012, 3:16 pm

Dear Onewithwings, I agree with you in feeling that so much is terribly wrong, and the feeling of frustration when discussing, face to face or online, strong views. I agree with some of your points and strongly disagree with others. maybe ground rules can bet set when you sense emotions getting out of hand. Perhaps someone thinks you are trying to change their beliefs or views. If you are talking to 40 or 50 year olds, it ain't gonna happen. Your age alone precludes that to a degree. Also, some of your views do affect others.
If your kid is not home schooled, Every other parent has a right to expect that your kid has had all legally required shots. Exposure to communicable diseases is not to be taken lightly; PLEASE go to the CDC website for accurate information about this!!
Public breast feeding? How about simple good manners? If something offends people, don't do it. Real simple.
Circumcision? Never was justified, is hardly ever done in the hospital where I work, parents' choice, and must remain so.
Most parents know their children and know what is needed. Whereas some kids don't need physical punishment, unless the parents are just mean people, some do
I respect your right to your opinions. I 'm sure you acknowledge my right to mine. Discussions that become attempts to change each others' minds are doomed to get nasty. There are lots of debates here on WP; some get unpleasant, most are fun for everyone, and in every discussion I've been in, I've learned something, and usually enjoyed talking with a thoroughly interesting person.

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12 Feb 2012, 3:37 pm

Shots are not legally required. Every state has medical exemptions, all but WV and MS allow religious exemptions, and several states allow philosophical waivers as well. What makes you think I have not read the CDC's information on vaccines? I have been researching the subject for 6 years now, and have read a lot on both sides of the subject. There are both facts and fear-mongering on either side of the issue.

"If something offends people, don't do it." <--- REALLY?! No matter WHAT you will do, it is bound to offend SOMEONE. If it offends you, don't look. Very simple.

Circumcision.... do you believe parents ought to have the right to have their daughter's circumcised as well? This is still practiced in many parts of the world. The reasons given for female circumcision are the same as those given for male circumcision: religion, culture, hygene, and cosmetic appearence.

As for spanking/hitting: Can you explain to me WHY some children "need" to be spanked? Do you believe some adults need to be hit as well?

It's not that I don't respect your right to have an opinion on the issues, everyone is entitled to their opinion, it's just that the specific arguments many people make on such issues are completely illogical. If we're arguing opinions, that's fine. It's when the debate becomes about facts and people start dodging pertinant questions and presenting incorrect data (such as shots being "legally required") that it becomes difficult to deal with.


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12 Feb 2012, 3:59 pm

Sylkat wrote:
Dear Onewithwings, I agree with you in feeling that so much is terribly wrong, and the feeling of frustration when discussing, face to face or online, strong views. I agree with some of your points and strongly disagree with others. maybe ground rules can bet set when you sense emotions getting out of hand. Perhaps someone thinks you are trying to change their beliefs or views. If you are talking to 40 or 50 year olds, it ain't gonna happen. Your age alone precludes that to a degree. Also, some of your views do affect others.
If your kid is not home schooled, Every other parent has a right to expect that your kid has had all legally required shots. Exposure to communicable diseases is not to be taken lightly; PLEASE go to the CDC website for accurate information about this!!
Public breast feeding? How about simple good manners? If something offends people, don't do it. Real simple.
Circumcision? Never was justified, is hardly ever done in the hospital where I work, parents' choice, and must remain so.
Most parents know their children and know what is needed. Whereas some kids don't need physical punishment, unless the parents are just mean people, some do
I respect your right to your opinions. I 'm sure you acknowledge my right to mine. Discussions that become attempts to change each others' minds are doomed to get nasty. There are lots of debates here on WP; some get unpleasant, most are fun for everyone, and in every discussion I've been in, I've learned something, and usually enjoyed talking with a thoroughly interesting person.

Sylkat. :D


Breast feeding is entirely natural, why should natural things be taboo, why should nature offend people? Breast feeding is healthier than bottle feeding, always available, helps a mother synch to her kid's rhythm and we have evolved based on this habit in it's natural form. Let people do what is natural and stop creating culture that gets people so offended over natural things... The fact of the matter is that it is child abuse not to allow this to happen b/c ur telling the kid he/she has to subsist on some other less beneficial sustenance or simply go without what it freely available and best for them.... Wish I could continue this thought but I have to go.

PS, I'm a guy and I'll probably breastfeed my kids too. We're equipped for it aren't we? Perhaps the taboo of male breastfeeding is also negative to our kids.



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12 Feb 2012, 4:14 pm

Yup, men can induce lactation through certain herbs and nipple stimulation. I'd just be worried about the nipple hair, LOL!


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12 Feb 2012, 4:40 pm

Dear Onewithwings, I'm liking talking with you! We see things quite differently, yet we're not angry, which is the whole point of a discussion, to me!
Anyway, in California, if your child doesn't have proof of vaccinations, the child cannot go to school.
I was under the Impression that the FGM was only cultural and pseudo-religious. The Koran (Q'uran?) does not promote this. I am and always have been extremely anti-circumcision, but I believe education is what is needed, not more laws.
Regarding physical punishments, I believe the decision should be the parents'. If the children are being abused, changing the law won't stop it, they need to be taken out of there. Personally, I don't believe that child abusers change. Just another of my viewpoints.
If I'm on a bus stop bench and someone sits down next to me and lights a cigarette, cranks their MP3 player up, begins a conversation on the cell phone, I have a right to ask them to move to the bench next to us, don't I? Why not ask it of someone who chooses to nurse in public? It is a choice, as the other behaviors are. No child's health is affected by being bottle- fed once or twice. It took YEARS for smoking to be disallowed, why not follow the principle of courtesy?
I believe that both of us see this 'Cure for Asperger's as the crock that it is. Our brains are wired differently. Period. To get along, or survive, or whatever your preferred term, we,or the newest generation of us, need actual teaching of social skills and teaching of HOW to interact with NTs on a long-term basis; on the jobs, for instance.

Rambling again, sorry....
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12 Feb 2012, 5:09 pm

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in California, if your child doesn't have proof of vaccinations, the child cannot go to school.


Incorrect. California allows medical, religious, and philosophical (personal-belief) exemptions. http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/california.htm

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I am and always have been extremely anti-circumcision, but I believe education is what is needed, not more laws.


I agree that education is desperately needed. I also believe that boys should have the same legal protection girls have.

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If I'm on a bus stop bench and someone sits down next to me and lights a cigarette, cranks their MP3 player up, begins a conversation on the cell phone, I have a right to ask them to move to the bench next to us, don't I? Why not ask it of someone who chooses to nurse in public?


Smoking is a public health hazard, which is why it has been made illegal to smoke in certain areas in many places. As for the person with the MP3 player, the cell phone, or the nursing child, you absolutely have the right to ask them to move to the bench next to you. They also absolutely have the right to tell you to mind your own business, in which case, if it is bothering you that much, YOU can move.


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