Mens Rights Movement

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I heard a man called Tom Martin talking on the radio just now about the mens rights movement and how he thought domestic violence and rape statistics were just a feminist conspiracy, I thought this was quite a controversial view and so wondered how wide spread his view is.

here are some links to organizations he works with.
http://www.sexismbusters.org/
http://ncfm.org/
http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for ... economics/
http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/201 ... artin.html

Have you heard of these ideas before, what do you think of them?

I've read positive books for men (like steve biddulph and the authors he is friends with) before and really liked them. I agree with the main theme of those books that the situation of bad gender relations will not be solved by the angry type of feminists attacking men but by helping both genders get out of society's brainwashing that puts them in conflict with each other. And helping men see themself as more positive.

However, when browsing the internet, all of the "mens rights" blogs and forums I have ever found, have been overwhelmingly woman-hating and pro-rape, angry men who want women powerless again like in the 50s, angry violent dads who cant see their kids etc. I agree with them that the media has gone too far attacking men (such as adverts where wifes punch or make fun of husbands shown as being humorous), and that, that is not helping the world but creating more conflict. (i found a blog called mysandry watch that listed bad ads). However, I haven't found one that IMO didn't go too far toward hate. Hopefully authors like Biddulph will get more in the public eye and make a more positive movement possible.

I'm not sure if this has anything at all to do with men's rights movements, but the one thing men may feel justified in complaining about is that they are discriminated against when they express their feelings.

Men are still expected to bottle all their emotions up, even by women. To me this is a tragedy. Women are not allowed to act like "men" and men are not allowed to act like "women." The whole gender-typing phenomenon is a construct of society and has no objective basis.

This may be on a tangent but these are my thoughts based on personal experience.

I think its a "back handed compliment" that women punching men is always seen as funny on TV. For example, on Desperate Housewives, they have a woman punch out a bad man, with funny music when he falls over, and it was meant to look feisty and tough. But really to me its saying "we know women arent strong in real life, thats why we're showing it as a joke with funny music". If it really happened it wouldnt be a joke. So its kind of feisty on the surface but back handed really.

These people - and these blogs - are a bit extreme in what they're saying, but their analysis of the current situation seems exactly what I've found.
At least where I live, women have more legal rights than men, and that's before the near-universal theme of government agencies siding with mothers even if fathers are responsible and mothers are irresponsible and mentally unstable. General rule: if you're a man, and you were previously in a marriage, you will be legally required to pay for your children, but you will have to negotiate any opportunity to meet them. If you're a woman, you will usually get the children and the man's money.

Sexism seems to be alright, and even government-endorsed (educational facilities were, at one point, encouraged to offer special courses for women and allowed to refuse men), when it's against men.
It's not even funny anymore. The militant, unshaved lesbian jokes have worn out, and we're still being subjected to their policies. It's just pathetic.

And then there's role patterns. While women are given more rights than men, men are still expected to be responsible and helpful.
If I don't keep a door open for a woman walking behind me, I'm sometimes criticised for that.
Suicide rates among men are, apparently, four times as high as under women, but charity money (and, indirectly, government money) is spent on anti-suicide campaigns for young women specifically.

If anything, ultrafeminism is turning me into what they'd call a misogynist.
I agree with masculism, generally, in what it says.

I think also men generally are unhappy. Feminists imagine men as enjoying a position of privilige but there not enjoying it. its not fun being the tough gender and feeling like you have to live up to it. feminists should see its horrible for men too, the way things are i mean. May not be horrible for the priviged but the average man it is.

HisDivineMajesty, do you have any links or sources regarding the idea that suicide prevention programs are aimed at young women? it is not the case in my city so i wonder what location has programs like that.

Yes, I've read up on these views. A couple of years ago, I came across a man's blog concerning this and MY GAWD it was all I could do to keep from going insane reading his drivel.

If men want to fight for their rights, they should be focusing on social acceptance of reversal gender roles so stay at home dads and the like aren't discriminated against anymore. Attacking women and saying Feminism is one giant conspiracy won't get anyone anywhere.

Getting people to believe in the reality of Paternity Fraud is hard enough - the very idea that men could be victims of abuse, fraud, and violence inflicted by women is preposterous to them, yet it happens.

And no amount of proof will convince them.

It is not a controversial topic. Just about anybody who does not have excrement instead of brain can tell the guy is a nutjob.

Fnord, people are definitely swayed by evidence and statistics (and may even agree on the facts) about paternity fraud. but when the only supporting information you offer is an anti-female special interest website full of stories, there is some question about the credibility of the sources behind your claims. vitriolic anecdotes are not evidence.