How do I avoid committing murder?

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12 Mar 2012, 5:11 pm

I know the question sounds weird, but everything I see makes me feel this way.

The world is in a dis-harmonic state, and it's becoming increasingly more dis-harmonic by the minute. People making new weapons, finding new ways to kill each other, new means of brainwashing in the media, politicians reciprocating meaningless jib-jab, people warring over petty things like who's belligerent beliefs are better, people being left starving while the rich take more and more, the constant inconsiderate mocking of low self-esteemed people that causes them to take their own lives, etc, etc. Half of the world is suffering, while the other half just plugs it's ears and sings "la la la!" They have no concern for the needy, oppressed, and lonely. Even when you rub the filthy truth in their faces they just laugh and call you insane. I hear the suffering of the weak, tired half of the world every day and night, whereas they don't. :evil:

Sometimes... no... all the time I feel like the wealthy, over privileged, white, male, hetero-normative supporting side of the world needs a lesson taught to it. I can't stand these gremlins waving the sausage over the nose of the starving puppies. It sickens me beyond belief. They deserve punishment. All of them. :twisted:

By this time I've seriously contemplated committing a massacre at my school, so that some of them will be wiped from the earth, and the others will realize just how cruel fate can really be to them. I wouldn't feel any guilt if I did, I'm not afraid of prison, or getting the death sentence, or anything that can happen to me. Authorities can have their worst with me, I just want to get my point across to my peers in a way they'll actually listen to, by forcing suffering upon them so they'll understand what's so wrong. :twisted:

So why am I posting this if I seem so certain that I should kill them all? It's because I'm not really that certain. Despite the vile wickedness, and indisputable ignorance I see in everyone around me, some part of me feels like they all deserve a second chance, and that all this is merely the passing of greed, hate, and other negative forces. I also have aspirations of my own. I had recently come out as being transgendered (that means I'm a girl trapped in a boy's body, as cliche as that phrase sounds) and I want to see myself blossom in the future as I show my true colors. :roll:

However the hopeful, sympathetic side of me has grown dim, and weak. I don't know how much longer I can go on without carrying out the unthinkable. So, how exactly would you say I avoid committing murder? :oops:

(P.S. This is an old account of mine, my name's not Ron anymore, so I'll have to change it or make a new one)



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12 Mar 2012, 5:26 pm

The thing is, committing such an act will not make people stop and think about the things you want them to stop and think about. The world will react in shock and horror and condemnation but they won't look for any philosophical larger picture.You can never know all the factors in a person's life. Who are you to judge who lives and who dies? Do random people have to die so you can make a point? It would be a senseless and pointless tragedy for you to act on these thoughts. If you think the world needs changing (it does), why don't you be the change you want to see? Why don't you put your energy into helping people?


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12 Mar 2012, 5:41 pm

RonWren wrote:
I know the question sounds weird, but everything I see makes me feel this way.

The world is in a dis-harmonic state, and it's becoming increasingly more dis-harmonic by the minute. People making new weapons, finding new ways to kill each other, new means of brainwashing in the media, politicians reciprocating meaningless jib-jab, people warring over petty things like who's belligerent beliefs are better, people being left starving while the rich take more and more, the constant inconsiderate mocking of low self-esteemed people that causes them to take their own lives, etc, etc. Half of the world is suffering, while the other half just plugs it's ears and sings "la la la!" They have no concern for the needy, oppressed, and lonely. Even when you rub the filthy truth in their faces they just laugh and call you insane. I hear the suffering of the weak, tired half of the world every day and night, whereas they don't. :evil:

Sometimes... no... all the time I feel like the wealthy, over privileged, white, male, hetero-normative supporting side of the world needs a lesson taught to it. I can't stand these gremlins waving the sausage over the nose of the starving puppies. It sickens me beyond belief. They deserve punishment. All of them. :twisted:

By this time I've seriously contemplated committing a massacre at my school, so that some of them will be wiped from the earth, and the others will realize just how cruel fate can really be to them. I wouldn't feel any guilt if I did, I'm not afraid of prison, or getting the death sentence, or anything that can happen to me. Authorities can have their worst with me, I just want to get my point across to my peers in a way they'll actually listen to, by forcing suffering upon them so they'll understand what's so wrong. :twisted:

So why am I posting this if I seem so certain that I should kill them all? It's because I'm not really that certain. Despite the vile wickedness, and indisputable ignorance I see in everyone around me, some part of me feels like they all deserve a second chance, and that all this is merely the passing of greed, hate, and other negative forces. I also have aspirations of my own. I had recently come out as being transgendered (that means I'm a girl trapped in a boy's body, as cliche as that phrase sounds) and I want to see myself blossom in the future as I show my true colors. :roll:

However the hopeful, sympathetic side of me has grown dim, and weak. I don't know how much longer I can go on without carrying out the unthinkable. So, how exactly would you say I avoid committing murder? :oops:

(P.S. This is an old account of mine, my name's not Ron anymore, so I'll have to change it or make a new one)


Posting stuff like this gets the FBI showing up at your door. I think for the safety of others perhaps this should be reported. What do the mods think?



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12 Mar 2012, 5:58 pm

shrox wrote:
RonWren wrote:
I know the question sounds weird, but everything I see makes me feel this way.

The world is in a dis-harmonic state, and it's becoming increasingly more dis-harmonic by the minute. People making new weapons, finding new ways to kill each other, new means of brainwashing in the media, politicians reciprocating meaningless jib-jab, people warring over petty things like who's belligerent beliefs are better, people being left starving while the rich take more and more, the constant inconsiderate mocking of low self-esteemed people that causes them to take their own lives, etc, etc. Half of the world is suffering, while the other half just plugs it's ears and sings "la la la!" They have no concern for the needy, oppressed, and lonely. Even when you rub the filthy truth in their faces they just laugh and call you insane. I hear the suffering of the weak, tired half of the world every day and night, whereas they don't. :evil:

Sometimes... no... all the time I feel like the wealthy, over privileged, white, male, hetero-normative supporting side of the world needs a lesson taught to it. I can't stand these gremlins waving the sausage over the nose of the starving puppies. It sickens me beyond belief. They deserve punishment. All of them. :twisted:

By this time I've seriously contemplated committing a massacre at my school, so that some of them will be wiped from the earth, and the others will realize just how cruel fate can really be to them. I wouldn't feel any guilt if I did, I'm not afraid of prison, or getting the death sentence, or anything that can happen to me. Authorities can have their worst with me, I just want to get my point across to my peers in a way they'll actually listen to, by forcing suffering upon them so they'll understand what's so wrong. :twisted:

So why am I posting this if I seem so certain that I should kill them all? It's because I'm not really that certain. Despite the vile wickedness, and indisputable ignorance I see in everyone around me, some part of me feels like they all deserve a second chance, and that all this is merely the passing of greed, hate, and other negative forces. I also have aspirations of my own. I had recently come out as being transgendered (that means I'm a girl trapped in a boy's body, as cliche as that phrase sounds) and I want to see myself blossom in the future as I show my true colors. :roll:

However the hopeful, sympathetic side of me has grown dim, and weak. I don't know how much longer I can go on without carrying out the unthinkable. So, how exactly would you say I avoid committing murder? :oops:

(P.S. This is an old account of mine, my name's not Ron anymore, so I'll have to change it or make a new one)


Posting stuff like this gets the FBI showing up at your door. I think for the safety of others perhaps this should be reported. What do the mods think?


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12 Mar 2012, 6:18 pm

That's not a good idea.


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12 Mar 2012, 6:19 pm

RonWren wrote:
(P.S. This is an old account of mine, my name's not Ron anymore, so I'll have to change it or make a new one)


Besides the obvious issue, this is an old account of his? SO he said he has at least 2


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12 Mar 2012, 6:24 pm

RonWren wrote:
How do I avoid committing murder?

Simple: Don't do it.



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12 Mar 2012, 9:25 pm

No matter how bad the 'sins' of those you want to punish or teach a lesson, by killing anyone, you will be stepping down to their level, or worse. Do you really want to allow them to have that effect on you?

Protest all you want. Speak out about injustice. Do whatever you can think of to show them where they're wrong: make movies, write stories, sing songs, organise protests. But the moment you decide to kill someone because, in your eyes at least, they deserve to die, you prove you are no better. Do you think they're arrogant? How arrogant is it to take someone else's life into your own hands, and decide you are capable of judging whether they should live or die? Such an action would pollute the message you say you want to teach them; set an example of refusing, no matter what the provocation, to resort to injustice, to arrogance, to violence. Help the victims you're so concerned about; that is a constructive thing you can do.

I hope you get help. Although I can't say I regret that this has already been reported, I hope the result will be positive for you, that someone will find a way to teach you positive ways to respond to the wrongs you see around you. I know what it's like to be bullied, to mourn injustice, to feel strongly about things most people never think about. But your response is never a legitimate one. Well, never may be too strong a word; I can't, for example, condemn Dietrich Bonhoeffer for having taken part in the conspiracy to assassinate Hitler. But that was Hitler. No matter how bad the people at your school are, I doubt any of them are actively engaged in the industrialised extermination of millions of people. So, please, seek out help and don't let yourself be dragged down to the level of someone who would callously decide to end another's life because they disagree with them.


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12 Mar 2012, 10:12 pm

I don't honestly see how that would help you get your point across......you're pissed about people being inconsiderate, cruel and stuff like that, so you want to be inconsiderate and cruel just like them? I guess that's whats stopped me before, I don't want to turn into what I dislike.


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12 Mar 2012, 10:58 pm

Others have done this. Nobody listened to their point. They were condemned, dismissed, forgotten. That is all that will happen. If you do this, your voice will never be heard.

Consider the words of those who found themselves surrounded by overwhelming ignorance, hate, and suffering:

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

"An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind." --Mahatma Gandhi

"You will not be punished for your anger. You will be punished by your anger." --Buddha



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13 Mar 2012, 1:35 am

Do you want to be like this guy?

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13 Mar 2012, 2:11 am

I was about to write a long, heartfelt "you don't want to do this" reply. But after giving it some thought, I'll only say this much: Screw you. Seriously. Who are you to punish others for your inability to cope with the world and your apparent focus on the negative aspects of life? How dare you decide what other people deserve? How can you even think about robbing people of their future, and making the lives of their loved ones a living hell?

Moreover, what gives you the right to come to a site where people deal with all kinds of problems, struggle with their own lives and depression, and are easy to impress and disturb, and post this kind of sociopathic drivel? Some of those who have read your post might have nightmares for weeks. They might obsessively follow the news, read about some senseless bloodbath, and feel guilty because they didn't talk some sense into you. What's worse, your words might infect the minds of others who struggle with antisocial feelings.

If you can't cope with the state of the world and have a death wish, there are other ways to remove yourself from the picture. Don't you dare delude yourself into thinking that you'd be some kind of hero for adding to the suffering that you decry and making the lives of others miserable. You're not. You'd go down into history as a monster, a psychopath. And rightfully so. Go seek some professional help, grab a bottle and go on a binge, or become politically active if you're serious about wanting to change things for the better (which I doubt). But don't disturb people who have more than their own share of problems with your hatred and rage.



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13 Mar 2012, 2:28 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
I don't honestly see how that would help you get your point across......you're pissed about people being inconsiderate, cruel and stuff like that, so you want to be inconsiderate and cruel just like them? I guess that's whats stopped me before, I don't want to turn into what I dislike.


This. You'll only become what you hate and all it will do is create more hate. I know it sounds cliche but really think about what you are saying. There is nothing wrong with you being trans-gendered and so much of what you brought up I greatly identify only for me it was suicide, 2 attempts and one being almost fatal. I had to get a lot of help. Please get some real professional help first. There are many of us out there who feel in the same boat. I have trouble believing you to be the cruel killer type but I know it seems to be an ongoing trend for people to vent their anger out on other people "bullies" and most of them are often innocent people. Going on a killing spree just makes you as bad as the people you complain about. Get some professional help first and realize people like me are also mad but there are better ways or venues to express them without being destructive.


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13 Mar 2012, 2:49 am

The world has already seen more then enough of this kind of crap and it didn't solve anything.

When I listen to this kind of talk it sounds like either a small time nut in a mall, or the select few of the world's all time worst tyrants. Though I suppose of they did turn the tables. They became the rich man and took control even if it requires crushing everyone else under their heel or or mass murder them. Such human beings are like demons upon the earth imo.


Take your pick. The late Kim Jong Il or perhaps Idi Amin. Do you look up to these people? (almost afraid the hear the answer is yes)

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13 Mar 2012, 3:19 am

As difficult as it may be to hear, CrazyCatLord is right... Mostly. I am glad you posted here, though. WP is full of good people who've had hard times in life, and we want to help. There is only so much we can do, though. You need to find someone you can talk to about this IRL. Someone you trust.



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13 Mar 2012, 9:14 am

You shouldn't kill them because you don't know them. People really only see one or two aspects that make up a person. You may see a wealthy degenerate, but that part of you could be missing on seeing that person volunteering at the food bank or donating money for impoverished schools. They could have been pulling people from the rubble of 9/11, or Haiti. But you wouldn't know that. You wouldn't know the good side of who those people were until they post the life stories of the citizens that you've killed.

That's how it works. You're seeing a bad side to everything, when not everything has a bad side. Humanity is a work in progress. Nothing in nature is hardwired for absolute kindness. It's something you have to work at, and strive for. Like a muscle that needs stretching everyday.

If you don't like the way the world is, why not do something to help guide it in the right direction? Donate a bit of kindness, rather than the hatred and anger you've been holding onto. It doesn't do anyone a bit of good.


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