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asperger
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24 Nov 2006, 12:14 pm

What do you think about John Paul II?



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28 Nov 2006, 7:01 pm

A great man! Genuine character! He stuck to his beliefs despite what other people said and did.

If only there were more people like JPII around!


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28 Nov 2006, 11:47 pm

I'm glad that son of a b***h is dead. He was not the voice of "dog" and he defended the child molesting priests.



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29 Nov 2006, 12:27 am

Dedicated, if not misguided.



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29 Nov 2006, 10:37 am

Markendust wrote:
I'm glad that son of a b***h is dead. He was not the voice of "dog" and he defended the child molesting priests.


Hmmm...I await your glowing review of Pope Benedict.


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04 Dec 2006, 4:26 am

MomofTom wrote:
He stuck to his beliefs despite what other people said and did.


*cliché*

As did Hitler.

*/cliché*



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11 Dec 2006, 12:44 pm

asperger wrote:
What do you think about John Paul II?


Authoritarian, dribbling slimeball who would be more at home in medieval times. To say I do not like religion - and the Catholic Church and Islam in particular - is putting it mildly.



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11 Dec 2006, 1:33 pm

Same as all the other popes I've heard of: lost sight of the message in favor of the dogma, and came across as a... less than pleasant individual, in an effort to be diplomatic. Really went downhill when he defended the molesters.


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11 Dec 2006, 6:37 pm

A good man, with flaws. To say that he was an authoritarian is unfair. He continued the reforms of Vatican II, and the church did not become notably less centralized during his pontificate. He has been criticized for not advocating "progressive" policies (although he always advocated left-of-center economics but as Pontiff his job was to head a church not engage in politics based what was current "en vogue."

After seeing the Nazis and then the Communists persecute the Church in his native Poland he was the ideal man to head the Church at a critical time during the Cold War. His actions helped herald in the collapse of the iron curtain and the formation of a democratic eastern Europe. His experiences with during war-time and post-war time persecutions led him to raise of the opposition of the death penalty on the grounds that it was unnecessary. This was debated. The finances of the Vatican were restructured by then Cardinal Joseph Ratizinger and are in much better shape then when JPII took power, although the American church's finances are a mess due to lawsuits due to reasons that are about to be stated.

It must be stated that his experiences became a severe weakness (as well as his age) due to as he was unable to deal with a scandal involving a massive amount of pedophile priests that have been confirmed to have molested children. The sheer awfulness of these crimes cannot be underestimated. It is apparent that JPII was not prepared for this crisis. During the Cold War, and WWII Communists and Nazi officials would accuse innocent priests of similar charges for grounds of arrest during their persecutions and JPII was suspicious of such charges as Pope. The inability of JPII to think beyond his own experiences in this case resulted in serious blunder, to put in mildly. In addition, the independence of the American church (as well as the Jesuits), based purely upon it's financial resources, can be criticized.