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akinthemiddle
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21 Oct 2012, 11:12 am

So I was interview for ssi earlier this week and I had to list all of my various diagnosis and I listed Asperger as one of them and the doctor who was interviewing looked at me, talked to me for 2 minutes, and at the end told me 'whoever told you you had Aspergers is an idiot and doesn't know anything...I wrote the medical definition of Autism and Aspergers, wrote a book about it, and various medical papers - and you don't have it!


....I was rather offended...I mean when I go the diagnosis a couple weeks ago and I was able to FINALLY have an explanation for A LOT of things I felt like I finally was on track to figuring my life out and to have this 'expert' tell me I didn't have it was kind of frustrating..



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21 Oct 2012, 11:24 am

Does he have AS himself? If he doesn't and he's never experienced it, then he might be an "expert", but he's writing about it as an outsider looking in and he can't tell what's going on in your head. I think if it applies to you and if it explains so much, then that's good enough. Besides, he can't expect to know everything about you or your life from just talking to you for 2 minutes. It's an inaccurate measure of what someone is really like.


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21 Oct 2012, 11:26 am

He talked to you for.. 2 minutes. And he works for SSI.


Yeah... I doubt the guy is an 'expert'.

If you have his name do look up the alleged books he wrote.

You cannot be diagnosed in any way in just a few minutes. Any competent doctor should know that.

If it was me I'd talk to that man's superior and hand in a letter of complaint backed by a letter from the person who gave you the diagnosis a couple of weeks ago.



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21 Oct 2012, 11:31 am

A neurologist said that to me before as well! The thing is though I have been diagnosed three times by three different specialists so I am going to trust the three rather than the one! I couldn't help but click on your username to find out if you are female. You are (unless you clicked the wrong one!), so it is possible that this so called 'expert' is looking for male traits and can't see them in you therefore assumes you don't have it. This is quite common because girls with AS have much less obvious symptoms than boys. We are better at conversation for example because girls are taught these things at a young age but boys aren't. If this guy wants to question your diagnosis any more refer him to the following book:

http://www.amazon.com/Aspergirls-Empowe ... Aspergirls

However [turns sarcasm on] it was written by a girl with AS therefore it must be incorrect :roll: [turns sarcasm off]


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21 Oct 2012, 11:46 am

You should think about which of them was more experienced. Or you should take another diagnosis as a confirmation. Then, if you don't have AS, it's not a big problem I think.


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21 Oct 2012, 11:48 am

Ugh. That's almost as bad as the preacher who told me God had healed me of autism so that I could deal with my "perversion".


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21 Oct 2012, 12:08 pm

akinthemiddle wrote:
So I was interview for ssi earlier this week and I had to list all of my various diagnosis and I listed Asperger as one of them and the doctor who was interviewing looked at me, talked to me for 2 minutes, and at the end told me 'whoever told you you had Aspergers is an idiot and doesn't know anything...I wrote the medical definition of Autism and Aspergers, wrote a book about it, and various medical papers - and you don't have it!


....I was rather offended...I mean when I go the diagnosis a couple weeks ago and I was able to FINALLY have an explanation for A LOT of things I felt like I finally was on track to figuring my life out and to have this 'expert' tell me I didn't have it was kind of frustrating..


If he's working for SSI, he is not an expert! and you have every right to be offended. If he wrote any medical definition it was for SSI's use, not the world in general. (if he is a "big fish" anywhere other than his own mind, it is in a small shallow pool)


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21 Oct 2012, 12:32 pm

Huh? Telling you you don't have AS after he has known you for two minutes is really too soon to express his opinion about it. Same as after one session. But unfortunately it's his job because they are being paid to see you don't qualify so they can write to SSI about it. That is why they send every patient to a doctor for a evaluation and I can remember my mother telling me the doctor I was going to see might say "She doesn't have Asperger's" and also try and see I don't have any problems because that is what she is being paid to do.


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21 Oct 2012, 1:24 pm

akinthemiddle wrote:
So I was interview for ssi earlier this week and I had to list all of my various diagnosis and I listed Asperger as one of them and the doctor who was interviewing looked at me, talked to me for 2 minutes, and at the end told me 'whoever told you you had Aspergers is an idiot and doesn't know anything...I wrote the medical definition of Autism and Aspergers, wrote a book about it, and various medical papers - and you don't have it!


....I was rather offended...I mean when I go the diagnosis a couple weeks ago and I was able to FINALLY have an explanation for A LOT of things I felt like I finally was on track to figuring my life out and to have this 'expert' tell me I didn't have it was kind of frustrating..


SSI + doctor who said you didn't have Asperger- SSI. Even though you do have Aspergers, maybe this clown thought you would be able to hold a job instead of sponging off the government.



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21 Oct 2012, 1:38 pm

If he talked to you for two minutes, he's not an expert. An expert would know that AS requires a more thorough evaluation than that.

You may or may not actually have Asperger's, but this person's opinion adds no information to either possibility.


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21 Oct 2012, 1:55 pm

Unless Hans Asper found a time machine and took it to 2012, he's full of it. And, the DSM is done by a team of people. My Psychiatrist said it would be unethical for him to make any judgement without observing me for a while, and really didn't drag it all that long, which meant it wasn't about money.



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21 Oct 2012, 2:03 pm

He....."WROTE"...the medical definition for autism and aspergers? Really? Huh...I kind of thought those things were done by, say, I don't know....maybe a committee assigned to do such things by the lovely old folks who are in charge of the DSM? I certainly didn't think it was a single person holed up in a government office clearing SSI applications.

Sounds delusional to me....are you sure it was a real doctor you spoke to? Or someone else waiting to get on SSI? LOL!

Not to mention, anyone who would call a fellow professional an "idiot" in front of someone else after a 2 minute evaluation sounds pretty suspect to me. It clearly shows very poor judgment and if he has that bad of judgment in this case, who is to say where that bad judgment stops?

Mind you, I do not know you and have no idea if you have AS or not. But this guy sounds like a real piece of work.


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21 Oct 2012, 2:24 pm

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21 Oct 2012, 7:50 pm

akinthemiddle wrote:


Writing a book and writing the "medical definition" of something is not the same thing.

Will his opinion effect your ability to get SSI? Will they just disregard the other doctor's diagnosis?

What I find surprising is that if he is as expert as he claims he should know that there are many aspies out there who can completely cover their diagnoses for 2 minutes.


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21 Oct 2012, 7:55 pm

CuriousKitten wrote:
If he's working for SSI, he is not an expert! and you have every right to be offended. If he wrote any medical definition it was for SSI's use, not the world in general. (if he is a "big fish" anywhere other than his own mind, it is in a small shallow pool)


This is an incorrect attribution. Working for SSA to do evaluations does not imply a lack of competence.

That doesn't mean this individual is competent in identifying autism spectrum disorders, but that he works for Social Security is not an indication either way.



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21 Oct 2012, 8:46 pm

http://rivaariellaritvo.com/about/ wrote:
Edward R. Ritvo MD is an internationally recognized medical expert, researcher and pioneer in the field of autism and Asperger's Disorder and co-author of the official diagnostic criteria in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). Much of what is known about these disorders today is based on his painstaking research and groundbreaking discoveries. He continues to work in both research and clinical practice with Dr. Ariella Ritvo. Most recently, he joined her in developing a new diagnostic scale for adults with Asperger's Disorder. He is a co principal investigator in the international multi-center standardization of the revised RAADS (see RAADS–R).


Why did he say you do not have AS? We are all human and you don't know if he was trying to get a response, having a bad day, being honest, or whatever. Hell maybe he was saying it sarcastically and you missed it.....(something I would do)

So what was his reason for saying it? Did he give one? Either way I find it dominating and abusive to call another professional an idiot without more digging than a few minutes.