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23 Nov 2012, 9:44 pm

Why do some religions insist on affending other religions?
Cant we just live in peace?


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23 Nov 2012, 11:58 pm

It reminds me of all the Jews who threw a hissy fit over Mormons baptizing dead jews into mormonism. People have odd things they like to get offended over.


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24 Nov 2012, 12:02 am

Sometimes the dogma or enforced procedures of one church are diametrically opposed to those of another church. Many religions, for example, include in their dogma that their adherents should actively go out and convert people (ie, 'spread the good news'), which effectively means that they are trying to steal the adherents of other religions.



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24 Nov 2012, 12:10 am

It never ceases to amaze me that people will get offended over a difference of belief.

Half of my relatives (Baptist) won't speak to the other half (Methodist) because one side believes in the supremacy of the male gender in all things, while the other side couldn't care less whether their pastor is male or female.

... and they all wonder why I hate religion.


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24 Nov 2012, 1:26 am

Keniichi wrote:
Why do some religions insist on affending other religions?
Cant we just live in peace?


Is offense taken the same as offense given?

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24 Nov 2012, 1:37 am

MarketAndChurch wrote:
It reminds me of all the Jews who threw a hissy fit over Mormons baptizing dead jews into mormonism. People have odd things they like to get offended over.
I'm not a Jew, but I can see where this is pretty f*****g offensive to non-mormons of any stripe.



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24 Nov 2012, 2:30 am

Religions each offer their own truth, which negates all other religions truths. Some religions require other truths to be destroyed or changed, other religions contain their truth to just them, and without impediment of the rest of society. This is played out within the various mechanics of each religion. That is the most objective and non offensive way I think I can describe this lol


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24 Nov 2012, 2:42 am

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Religions each offer their own truth, which negates all other religions truths. Some religions require other truths to be destroyed or changed, other religions contain their truth to just them, and without impediment of the rest of society. This is played out within the various mechanics of each religion. That is the most objective and non offensive way I think I can describe this lol


Not a single major religion is based on empirically verifiable claims. They are nonsense insofar as they assert their claims are true.

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24 Nov 2012, 3:46 am

LKL wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
It reminds me of all the Jews who threw a hissy fit over Mormons baptizing dead jews into mormonism. People have odd things they like to get offended over.
I'm not a Jew, but I can see where this is pretty f***ing offensive to non-mormons of any stripe.



Only if you believe it...
Well just as an atheist isn't emotionally manipulated by an evangelical who screams at them that they'll go to hell for their pagan ways, the same applies to the religious who doesn't believe in the theological beliefs of another religion. If one does not buy the mormon theology, one doesn't buy it. It only affects you if you believe it.

Do people think atheists loose sleep because the Christians talk about a rapture that'll apparently affect all of humanity, atheists included? Not for a second. Some people shrill or are annoyed at the thought of someone praying on their behalf to a God they do not believe in. Atheists mature about their atheism should care less who someone prays too, its all nonesense to them anyways as it bares no meaning to anyone beyond the prayer and their kind/type.

Someone can stick pins in a doll, it doesn't affect me or you unless we believe in them. Christians can tell me that "Satan is always trying to get you to do evil" all they want, but I'll believe it when I find it in the Torah.


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Mormons are free to hold theological positions that only affect their kind. So to that, I wish the mormons well in their attempts to baptize all of humanity, because there efforts are not in vain for us who don't believe in mormon theology: They have amassed one of the greatest repository's of genealogy in human history. A census of the ages, driven by beliefs that I don't believe or care for.

I'll tell you what does offend me: People who kill in the name of God. And people who don't protest it. That is worthy of contempt. We should choose more carefully what offends us, and always ask if "offense" was meant.


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24 Nov 2012, 5:19 am

You don't have to believe what someone is saying - hell, they can be yelling incoherently - to be affected when someone is disrespectful of your family. Humans, even us Aspies, are social creatures, and profound disrespect of the things we hold dear, or that our family holds dear, impacts us very negatively.
I'm not Catholic, but my family is; while I think that a lot of the criticisms of the Catholic church are valid, I find it incredibly unpleasant when some Evangelical starts going on about how Catholics are devil-worshiping polytheists and that the Catholic Church is 'The Great Whore.'



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24 Nov 2012, 12:03 pm

ruveyn wrote:
knowbody15 wrote:
Religions each offer their own truth, which negates all other religions truths. Some religions require other truths to be destroyed or changed, other religions contain their truth to just them, and without impediment of the rest of society. This is played out within the various mechanics of each religion. That is the most objective and non offensive way I think I can describe this lol


Not a single major religion is based on empirically verifiable claims. They are nonsense insofar as they assert their claims are true.

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That's pretty much what most religions think of each other. How they act on this kind of thought is probably the best way to judge them in my opinion.


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24 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm

LKL wrote:
You don't have to believe what someone is saying - hell, they can be yelling incoherently - to be affected when someone is disrespectful of your family. Humans, even us Aspies, are social creatures, and profound disrespect of the things we hold dear, or that our family holds dear, impacts us very negatively.
I'm not Catholic, but my family is; while I think that a lot of the criticisms of the Catholic church are valid, I find it incredibly unpleasant when some Evangelical starts going on about how Catholics are devil-worshiping polytheists and that the Catholic Church is 'The Great Whore.'

https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1077/1077_01.asp
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1057/1057_01.asp

I'm sure you'll appreciate this, LKL. :P I'm not sure if you knew this already, but Catholicism founded Islam, Communism, and Fascism AND it controls the UN. Isn't that amazing??? :P



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24 Nov 2012, 8:52 pm

Wait, I thought that the UN was a plot by the Rothchilds!? To think, all of those years the Catholics and the Jews were fighting each other... I guess they made up after WW2 and joined forces for Total World Domination!



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24 Nov 2012, 10:42 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Keniichi wrote:
Why do some religions insist on affending other religions?
Cant we just live in peace?


Is offense taken the same as offense given?
I believe that depends. Some people are offensive without meaning to be offensive
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24 Nov 2012, 10:54 pm

Even so, people seem to target Christianity more than anything else, mainly when it comes to abortion and same-sex marriage.

They complain about Christians opposing abortion and same-sex marriage, but turn a blind eye when it comes to Muslims not allowing women to drive or be out in public without a male relative, and beheading homosexuals.


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24 Nov 2012, 11:38 pm

Keniichi wrote:
Why do some religions insist on affending other religions?
Cant we just live in peace?


Even if there was no religion, people would still insist in creating war and conflict against each other.

Religion is simply man made and they claim that they're way of life is the way to go but tbh, all that ever does is lead to nothing but death at the end of the day.

Jesus himself is against religion, dunno how many people actually believe or agree with me on this statement but there are actual proof that he actually was. It's actually the Pharisees let alone that actually despised his ways and got him crucified on the cross, but it had to be fulfilled in order to bring hope and life into the nation. He died on that cross, shed his precious blood which paid the price for sin and rose from the dead and is still alive until this day, but you can't physically see him. That whosoever believes in him may have eternal life.

The whole Christianity came along after Jesus rose from the dead. As far as I know and as far as I've encountered, it happens to be the most true one. The whole reason now the name Christians even exist is because of the day the apostles came to Antioch, they were being called Christians as a sort of mockery and ever since then, the name Christian let alone that came into place. Although however, there have been scientific proof that it is correct and actually rather accurate, even up until this day it amazes me.

The whole Muslim or Islam religion happened when prophet Mohammed claimed he had an encounter yet there are some errors in the teachings and unfortunately promoting a lot of war and violence if you go deep into it yet some Muslims told me it promotes peace. How can it promote peace if there is one part that actually says you should disown your family if they don't believe or to kill someone for leaving their religion.

The whole Mormonism came along when Joseph Smith claimed he found a gold plated book of some sort but then there were other stories to it which just does not add up which I just find it to be bulls. Why would anyone even trust in a religion that just doesn't make any sense to them. Most of these things don't sum up or make any sense whatsoever.


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