Fellow students not going to class?

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06 Dec 2012, 9:56 pm

Im beginning to think that college is too hard for alot of the students who enter in a course and wind up dropping out. I know cash, and transportation is part of it, but seriously I have found out that out of 50+ students in my class(es), less then a 1/6 of them are passing. Most of them havent even shown up for class. The ones who have shown up, just snooze in the class.
I have to admit the entrance exam is "draining"
So can anyone else relate, and give an explanation as to why this situation is happening in my school?(I go to Spokane Falls Community College)


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06 Dec 2012, 11:06 pm

A lot of the time, students aren't mature enough to handle college effectively, and spend their time running off partying and such rather than studying and trying to succeed academically.



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06 Dec 2012, 11:07 pm

There are statistics that show that this is the norm for higher education in the United States (maybe not so much as 5/6 failing, but a large proportion anyways). Since so many people aren't learning things in high school, many get bogged down in remedial courses and eventually quit college. Some simply don't have the skills or inclination to work hard enough to pass.



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06 Dec 2012, 11:12 pm

I think that there is a large amount of expectation and pressure in society these days that most people will go to college. Kids who go because their parents expect them to go are not motivated to attend class. Some people are not cut out for a 4 year university. If their parents would allow them to work for a year before deciding if they want to go to college, maybe they would not waste that time failing out of college. I think it is much better for anyone to go to college when they want to, and on their own terms instead of because Mom and Dad told them they had to go.

When I went back to college as a non-traditional student, I could see more clearly where the college age students took for granted the learning opportunities, and half-assed their way through assignments that would actually challenge them and force them to apply themselves to a subject area outside their major. Not everyone has a natural love of learning, and a love of learning may not be inside a classroom for everyone, a hands on or vocational experience may be better for many students. My parents wouldn't encourage me to go to a 2 year school to learn hands on subjects because they thought there was a stigma attached to it.


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07 Dec 2012, 1:32 am

My roommate withdrew from a class we had together and a girl in the group I sometimes hang out with hasn't shown up in the same class for a few weeks. In their cases I think it has to do with being preoccupied with staying up late partying; I know my roommate parties with his fraternity all the time. For whatever reason they really don't seem to care initially, then get upset when they find out they have a C or a D.



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07 Dec 2012, 10:39 am

Some of it might be procrastination issues as well. I don't really know or care that much what other students are doing. If they start talking about the class I care more. I have had some classes even at ucla where people take roll but I don't like that because I always show up and get less time.



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08 Dec 2012, 2:06 am

Stargazer43 wrote:
A lot of the time, students aren't mature enough to handle college effectively, and spend their time running off partying and such rather than studying and trying to succeed academically.

Even though they or theyre parents are paying for school? Id think that theyd care more about money/financing by going to class, rather then partying?
It is a privilege to be in College, well at least in my opinion.


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08 Dec 2012, 2:16 am

Keniichi wrote:
Even though they or theyre parents are paying for school? Id think that theyd care more about money/financing by going to class, rather then partying?
It is a privilege to be in College, well at least in my opinion.


Some of the people in college are quite spoiled. The people for whom family is paying are likely to be more spoiled than others, because they are used to getting things with little or no effort; some have known from a young age that their parents would pay for them to go to college, and therefore take it for granted. Thus, they are not as appreciative as someone poorer may be.



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10 Dec 2012, 5:08 am

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A lot of the time, students aren't mature enough to handle college effectively, and spend their time running off partying and such rather than studying and trying to succeed academically.

Really-?So theyre no better then Highschoolers-?


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10 Dec 2012, 5:12 am

starkid wrote:
Keniichi wrote:
Even though they or theyre parents are paying for school? Id think that theyd care more about money/financing by going to class, rather then partying?
It is a privilege to be in College, well at least in my opinion.


Some of the people in college are quite spoiled. The people for whom family is paying are likely to be more spoiled than others, because they are used to getting things with little or no effort; some have known from a young age that their parents would pay for them to go to college, and therefore take it for granted. Thus, they are not as appreciative as someone poorer may be.


Still Id think theyd be more respectful and actually go to class. Turns out in one class of over 50-+ the maximum people who showed up were 20, 18 turned in the first assingmnet, 12 turned in the second and less then 6 turned in the third/attended finals. Dont they realize that if they fail that they could be banned from the school-?Or have to deal with Financial Aid-(a nightmare in and of itself-)


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10 Dec 2012, 1:24 pm

Keniichi wrote:
starkid wrote:
Keniichi wrote:
Even though they or theyre parents are paying for school? Id think that theyd care more about money/financing by going to class, rather then partying?
It is a privilege to be in College, well at least in my opinion.


Some of the people in college are quite spoiled. The people for whom family is paying are likely to be more spoiled than others, because they are used to getting things with little or no effort; some have known from a young age that their parents would pay for them to go to college, and therefore take it for granted. Thus, they are not as appreciative as someone poorer may be.


Still Id think theyd be more respectful and actually go to class. Turns out in one class of over 50-+ the maximum people who showed up were 20, 18 turned in the first assingmnet, 12 turned in the second and less then 6 turned in the third/attended finals. Dont they realize that if they fail that they could be banned from the school-?Or have to deal with Financial Aid-(a nightmare in and of itself-)
Why are you trying to understand people not going to class? Have you taken into account it just might not make sense.



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10 Dec 2012, 3:05 pm

Keniichi wrote:
Still Id think theyd be more respectful and actually go to class. Turns out in one class of over 50-+ the maximum people who showed up were 20, 18 turned in the first assingmnet, 12 turned in the second and less then 6 turned in the third/attended finals. Dont they realize that if they fail that they could be banned from the school-?Or have to deal with Financial Aid-(a nightmare in and of itself-)


The fact is a lot of them just don't care enough. I have a friend who's absolutely brilliant, but he failed a class because he got drunk the night before the final and slept through it the next day. Sad thing is it wasn't the first time he's done that and it won't be the last. Kind of sad though when you think about it, because if he actually did his work he'd almost assuredly have a 4.0. Many college students are there on either scholarships or their parents money, and at that age the majority have never had to support themselves yet so they have little concept of money.



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16 Dec 2012, 1:29 am

Every one of my classes this semester except for my PE elective had a nearly 50% drop before Mid Terms. My US History class, which is mandatory in the state of Georgia, went from 42 students to 22.. my World Lit class from 23 to 11.. and by the end of the semester was down to 8.

I'll admit they both required studying a lot.. but so long as you used your free time effectively there was not so much material you simply couldn't cover it.

Know what though? Who cares? I don't care if they don't show up.. I'm there 98% of the time ( I always allow myself 1 skip day for decompression from each of my classes provided it's allowed for in the syllabus.. it's amazing how well that works in keeping you motivated.. or atleast me anyway.. )



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20 Dec 2012, 2:39 am

Keniichi wrote:
Stargazer43 wrote:
A lot of the time, students aren't mature enough to handle college effectively, and spend their time running off partying and such rather than studying and trying to succeed academically.

Really-?So theyre no better then Highschoolers-?

:lmao:

What magic do you think happens in the two months between high school and college?

Want me to really blow your mind, think about this: what makes 18 years the right age for a person to attend an expensive and career-specific course of study?

The reality is that education isn't about preparing you for a successful life. Instead, it's a business designed to siphon federal grant money into the pockets of "educators".

Look around you, why on earth would a school that actually cared about educating put up with students who don't perform well?

The school is there to make money. They don't make money from students who aren't attending. So their goal is to keep students there no matter how poor their performance is, and no matter how poorly they're preparing those students for life.

What are the basic stats about college these days? Less and less valuable to employers, more and more expensive, dumber and dumber degree programs, and with students taking longer and longer to graduate.

You can be one of those losers, or you can work hard to end up graduating early and in the top 10%, with a valuable technical degree, and with personal and professional experience gained outside of school.

Or you can act your age, follow the slackers, skip class, keep paying, and end up one of the unemployable 99% blaming wall street for the failures and lies of an education industry that has few ties to Manhattan.

Let those other kids be suckers; you stay on track and work your ass off. Do that and you'll go as far as you want to.



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20 Dec 2012, 11:40 pm

JBlitzen wrote:
What magic do you think happens in the two months between high school and college?

Want me to really blow your mind, think about this: what makes 18 years the right age for a person to attend an expensive and career-specific course of study?


That is so true, most hs graduates haven't experienced the workforce enough to know what part they want to play in it. It's unreasonable that we expect them to know which academic program to invest in at that level of experience.

Most of my pre-college peers have graduated college, I've felt pressured for over a decade to have a college degree. If I had been successful before a year and a half ago, it would've been a waste, it took me that much workplace exposure to realize what wasn't worth the money and what was worth worth the effort.



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