Killed for accidentally pulling in wrong driveway.

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31 Jan 2013, 9:29 am

Rodrigo Diaz, 22, was driving around with his girlfriend and two friends when he pulled into a driveway, thinking they had arrived at another friend’s house, his brother says. But instead he pulled into the driveway of Phillip Sailors, 69, who thought his home was being robbed, his lawyer says. Sailors then shot Diaz, according to the police report, citing what Sailors told officers at the scene. Diaz later died while in the intensive care unit.

“Basically, what happened is they were looking for one of my brother’s girlfriend’s friends,” says his brother David E. Diaz-Valencia, 23. “The guy came outside and my brother’s girlfriend said he was screaming, ‘Get off my property!’ and he shot into the air. My brother was backing out fast because he was scared and he rolled down the window to say he was sorry and he was not doing anything wrong. Then the guy shot him in his head.”

When officers arrived, Angie Rebolledo, Diaz’s girlfriend, had blood on her jeans, both arms and both hands as she was attempting to get a response from him and screamed frantically that her boyfriend had been shot, according to police.

Police arrested Sailors, of Lilburn, Georgia, who was booked into the Gwinnett County jail Sunday afternoon and charged with murder, according to the police report.

“At this point we have established probable cause to charge Mr. Sailors and when the investigation is complete, we will turn over the case file to the Gwinnett County District Attorneys Officer for processing,” Lilburn police Chief Bruce Hedley told NBC Latino. “To preserve the integrity of the case, I will not be releasing further information concerning this incident.”

Sailors’ lawyer says his client is a Vietnam veteran with no prior criminal history and thought he and his wife were about to be victims of a home invasion. “You have to understand this is a 69-year-old man who is a military veteran who has been honorably discharged,” Michael Puglise says. “He dedicated his life to community service, specifically the Christian Lay Ministry in Latin America.”

Puglise adds that Sailors’ small, quiet, quaint town is now plagued with gang activity and the home next door was vandalized weeks before. He fired a warning shot and then when the car was accelerated to go in reverse he perceived it differently.

“He’s an elderly man, he perceived the car going towards his house, towards him.”

Asked about the contention that the victim rolled the window down and said sorry and he wasn’t doing anything wrong, Puglise said he wasn’t aware of the statement.
“Each person in the situation perceived things differently,” he says. “He most certainly did not hear anything.”

The victim’s brother, Diaz-Valencia, says Diaz was going to school to be an auto mechanic.

“He was a really happy person, he was a really good brother and he never had problems with anybody,” he says.

Diaz-Valencia says their father has been in the United States for more than 10 years and he and his brothers had been in the U.S. since 2006, coming from Medellín, Colombia. “My dad got us our papers and green card,” he says. “He had been here and he wanted to give us a better life.”

Diaz-Valencia, who goes to the Aviation Institute of Maintenance and is set to graduate in 9 weeks, says no one thinks his brother was gunned down because he was Hispanic.

“Nobody has said that,” he says. “We don’t think it’s about racism. Maybe the guy was angry, trying to protect his own property, but that’s why we have police.”

The funeral will most likely be on Thursday, Diaz-Valencia says.

He adds that he has no ill will towards the suspect, Sailors.

“I don’t want anything bad for him, just for him to be put in jail, he needs to pay for what he did,” he says.

“It’s not shooting first and asking second.”


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http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/29/georgia ... olice-say/



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31 Jan 2013, 9:38 am

I read about that.

While I am a strong fan of the right to self defense, I don't find self defense acceptable when there was no threat from which one needs to be defended.

Word needs to get out that you cannot claim self defense when you are not in any real danger and all such bogus instances of self defense need to be fully prosecuted.



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31 Jan 2013, 9:41 am

eric76 wrote:
Word needs to get out that you cannot claim self defense when you are not in any real danger


I fully agree. We do need to spread this message. There's several users on here who desperately need to learn, as well as half a nation that doesn't understand it either.

Perfectly worded. 8)



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31 Jan 2013, 10:52 am

This just goes to show what I have feared would happen.

Fear has become the ultimate killer.

And now this makes me terrified of ever using someone's driveway to turn around ever again.



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31 Jan 2013, 11:03 am

raisedbyignorance wrote:
Fear has become the ultimate killer.

No ... fear has always been the ultimate motivator.

raisedbyignorance wrote:
And now this makes me terrified of ever using someone's driveway to turn around ever again.

Good; and stay off of my lawn, too.


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31 Jan 2013, 1:50 pm

Fear has been the ultimate killer for quite some time now. The only reason stories like this are being talked about is because we are afraid this might happen to us. We live in a militant, wild-west kind of culture, so we invent things to be afraid of so we can feel important. We like fear. It keeps us company. And like a good friend, it congratulates us for killing people. It tells us that everything will be OK only if we treat everything new as a threat. This man saw someone new and made everything OK. Is he wrong for that? His friend told him to do it. So let's arrest fear and put him in jail. That'll show him.



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31 Jan 2013, 3:30 pm

The shooter was clearly spooked. Let the state's criminal and civil laws handle this on an individual basis.


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31 Jan 2013, 3:32 pm

John_Browning wrote:
The shooter was clearly spooked. Let the state's criminal and civil laws handle this on an individual basis.


Spooked or not, he should be judged on whether or not his decision to shoot was prudent and rational.



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31 Jan 2013, 3:33 pm

Fear does not kill people, unless they are so frightened that they have a heart attack.


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31 Jan 2013, 3:35 pm

A few years ago someone called me and asked if I could come over to their house to check out their Internet connection. I had only been to his house once before and that was several months earlier to install their Internet connection. He said to come in the side door and he'd be with me in a few minutes.

So I went over and walked in the side door. I got to looking around and realized that I had never been in that house. There was nobody in sight and so I walked out the side door and got back in the pickup and took off. It turned out I was a block off.

It turned out that the first house was owned and occupied by the widowed mother of a friend of mine from junior high and high school. I'm glad that she didn't come out shooting.



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01 Feb 2013, 1:14 pm

You'd probably have a better chance of being killed by a part falling off of an aircraft and hitting you on the head than being shot for using someones driveway to turn.
Let's ban aircraft!
Why not?
Hey, it might save a life.....


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01 Feb 2013, 2:03 pm

The way I look at it, someone casually pulling up in your driveway is no indication of an imminent attack on your self or property. If, say, I just happen to be walking out to my shed at night and I see some kid running through my yard, I'm going to take a second or two to try to ascertain his intentions. If he's running right for me, I'm liable to shoot first and ask questions later. If he's trying to get away from me, I'll just let him go.

Same deal if someone's in my house at night. If you're a friend or family member, you should identify yourself. If I don't know you, you shouldn't be there in the first place. So, yeah, I say kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. If you break in my house and figure out maybe it wasn't such a great idea after all and run before I pull the trigger, we might just forget this ever happened.

I feel differently about what happens in the daylight, though. I'll give you a warning, I'll give you a chance to leave, and if you threaten me I'll probably use a gun only as a last resort. What happens in broad daylight will involve a perp who can be identified, plus a potential victim and a perpetrator can assess potential threats from both sides and make better decisions on how to act. In darkness, there is no such equalizer, so I think a faster resolve to use force without further justification for it is only fair from the perspective of the would-be victim.

I don't tend to worry about cars turning around in my driveway at night because I can see the headlights. I'm going to be more concerned about a vehicle that parks on the side of the road or backs into my driveway and has no headlights on.



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01 Feb 2013, 4:31 pm

"Sailors’ lawyer says his client is a Vietnam veteran with no prior criminal history and thought he and his wife were about to be victims of a home invasion. “You have to understand this is a 69-year-old man who is a military veteran who has been honorably discharged,” Michael Puglise says. “He dedicated his life to community service, specifically the Christian Lay Ministry in Latin America.”
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This fills me with rage. There's no excuse for this. He killed a man for no reason. I don't care how many people he killed for community service in the past, he killed some poor guy for no reason.



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01 Feb 2013, 4:34 pm

That guy shouldn't have been allowed to own a gun. Damn guns.



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01 Feb 2013, 5:30 pm

Fnord wrote:
Fear does not kill people, unless they are so frightened that they have a heart attack.


You need to distinguish between a causa causans and a causa sine qua non. If, in the absence of fear, the homicide would have have occurred, then legally the fear is a cause of the homicide, even if the medical cause of death was something more proximate.


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