Why do some Aspies expect the world to cater to them?

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02 Feb 2013, 11:09 pm

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02 Feb 2013, 11:19 pm

I do care how hard certain things are, because I am not going to waste my energy in a senseless display of unnecessary failure.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:22 pm

Verdandi wrote:
I do care how hard certain things are, because I am not going to waste my energy in a senseless display of unnecessary failure.



I have come to the conclusion that it is not worth it worry. We are all going to die eventually, whatever happens will happen. I am trying to be more of a risk taker.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:26 pm

I mean, what I have noticed with NTs is... If you come on as a weak person, they will walk over you, if you come on as a strong, commanding, take no crap type of individual they seem to either respect or fear that. I don't understand it, but many NTs(not all) seem to hold a disdain for weak people, I have no idea why as I have a philosophy of "live and let live", you respect me, I respect you. When they see a person pacing around with their head down, they see somebody who is weird and needs to be "dealt with".



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02 Feb 2013, 11:30 pm

Why do deaf people expect people to learn sign language? Why cater to wheel chair users etc. This isn't just about Aspies but other sufferers on the all levels on the Autism spectrum-especially those on the severe end who need life long support. You also don't know what other issues that they maybe facing, we don't even know what there families have been like or what they have been through. Are we to say well the world doesn't understand your needs and therefore doesn't give a sh!t, so you should just 'tough it out'? some may need more support then you.

I understand where your coming from on self help and doing for yourself, there is a frightening amount of learn't helplessness on this site but I feel that ASD sufferers deserve compassion and support.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:30 pm

MikeW999 wrote:
I mean, what I have noticed with NTs is... If you come on as a weak person, they will walk over you, if you come on as a strong, commanding, take no crap type of individual they seem to either respect or fear that. I don't understand it, but many NTs(not all) seem to hold a disdain for weak people, I have no idea why as I have a philosophy of "live and let live", you respect me, I respect you. When they see a person pacing around with their head down, they see somebody who is weird and needs to be "dealt with".


I agree with this, and to some extent it's a good idea for people to learn how to protect themselves. I do think however, that there really should be a lot of responsibility on people to not be cruel. Some people are always going to be cruel, though, and the blame really shouldn't be placed on those who are on the receiving end.

I know in the 90s, people who knew me tended to see me as a "take no crap" kind of person, which kind of confused me because that's not how I thought of myself or my interactions. However, it tended to generate interesting variations in interpersonal interactions, as compared to school where I was bullied from kindergarten through the year I dropped out (my 12th year).



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02 Feb 2013, 11:31 pm

That petty teenage stuff does continue in adulthood it just changes it name to office politics and job related politics and many of the people I have met not on the spectrum have been very petty and judgemental and most of the ones that accepted me were on the spectrum-they seem to understand I have difficulties in social situations and accept me-I have been to things with NT's and when I try to talk to a person they turn away from me without one word being said-I just walked up to them and they turn away-they cant even form a judgement by talking to me so what do they know that I dont know-do I have a invisible sigh above my head that only NT's can see.


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02 Feb 2013, 11:33 pm

I prioritize what I try to do based on what is important to me and makes me happy. Most social interaction is pointless to me, so I drop that. When there is something I really want to do, I go after it, even if it involves a lot of social interaction or other difficult activities. I figure that life comes with a certain amount of discomfort, sometimes large, but usually temporary, so I accept that, as long as I can be doing what I want to do and therefore comfortable the majority of the time.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:34 pm

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Why do deaf people expect people to learn sign language? Why cater to wheel chair users etc. This isn't just about Aspies but other sufferers on the all levels on the Autism spectrum-especially those on the severe end who need life long support. You also don't know what other issues that they maybe facing, we don't even know what there families have been like or what they have been through. Are we to say well the world doesn't understand your needs and therefore doesn't give a sh!t, so you should just 'tough it out'? some may need more support then you.

I understand where your coming from on self help and doing for yourself, there is a frightening amount of learn't helplessness on this site but I feel that ASD sufferers deserve compassion and support.


No you are right about that. I was basically saying moderate or high functioning autistics should try their best with certain things. I have been around fellow aspies since middle school and i can safely say some can be as mean as NT's. I should have made it more clear what I was referring to.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:37 pm

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I prioritize what I try to do based on what is important to me and makes me happy. Most social interaction is pointless to me, so I drop that. When there is something I really want to do, I go after it, even if it involves a lot of social interaction or other difficult activities. I figure that life comes with a certain amount of discomfort, sometimes large, but usually temporary, so I accept that, as long as I can be doing what I want to do and therefore comfortable the majority of the time.


^^^^^

This is closer to what I was trying to get at when I said I do care how hard some things are.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:37 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I prioritize what I try to do based on what is important to me and makes me happy. Most social interaction is pointless to me, so I drop that. When there is something I really want to do, I go after it, even if it involves a lot of social interaction or other difficult activities. I figure that life comes with a certain amount of discomfort, sometimes large, but usually temporary, so I accept that, as long as I can be doing what I want to do and therefore comfortable the majority of the time.


Yes, but what I am trying to say is some aspies can be plain selfish, I would want not just myself to be happy. I enjoy making family and friends happy as well.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:45 pm

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I prioritize what I try to do based on what is important to me and makes me happy. Most social interaction is pointless to me, so I drop that. When there is something I really want to do, I go after it, even if it involves a lot of social interaction or other difficult activities. I figure that life comes with a certain amount of discomfort, sometimes large, but usually temporary, so I accept that, as long as I can be doing what I want to do and therefore comfortable the majority of the time.


Yes, but what I am trying to say is some aspies can be plain selfish, I would want not just myself to be happy. I enjoy making family and friends happy as well.


I only care about family at this time. Maybe in future, I would like to have a relationship with mutual sharing and caring, which I consider verry merry berry important too.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:49 pm

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I prioritize what I try to do based on what is important to me and makes me happy. Most social interaction is pointless to me, so I drop that. When there is something I really want to do, I go after it, even if it involves a lot of social interaction or other difficult activities. I figure that life comes with a certain amount of discomfort, sometimes large, but usually temporary, so I accept that, as long as I can be doing what I want to do and therefore comfortable the majority of the time.


Yes, but what I am trying to say is some aspies can be plain selfish, I would want not just myself to be happy. I enjoy making family and friends happy as well.


I only care about family at this time. Maybe in future, I would like to have a relationship with mutual sharing and caring, which I consider verry merry berry important too.


I agree. Sometimes I get fed up with trying to be helpful and doing right to a society who would drive past me if they saw me laying on the street injured.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:49 pm

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Could you be more specific? Are you talking about school and work accommodations, government benefits, and things of that nature? Or are you saying that autistic people should be more social?

My view is that any person should be only as social as he or she feels comfortable being. For me, personally, it just means having a friend or two to talk to once in a while. I don't mind not being able to navigate small talk or make friends at parties, because those things are not important to me. It's not about being lazy; it's about setting my priorities and knowing my limits.

Nor do I think it is wrong for autistic people to have reasonable accommodations in the classroom or the workplace. If it means increasing the quality of life and productivity for both the autistic person and those around him, I think it is worth it to have those accommodations in place.



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03 Feb 2013, 12:06 am

I've tried to play the NT game, and I did pretty well at it... except that I accumulated stress and eventually just broke down, culminating in hospitalization. I don't recommend this approach for anybody but those with very mild cases of ASD--and even then, it is a bad idea to try to ignore it when things are difficult or exhausting for you. You need to pay attention to your limits; if you run on emergency power for too long, you just burn out.


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03 Feb 2013, 12:13 am

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I've tried to play the NT game, and I did pretty well at it... except that I accumulated stress and eventually just broke down, culminating in hospitalization. I don't recommend this approach for anybody but those with very mild cases of ASD--and even then, it is a bad idea to try to ignore it when things are difficult or exhausting for you. You need to pay attention to your limits; if you run on emergency power for too long, you just burn out.


^^^^^

This is another element of what I wanted to say.