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06 Mar 2013, 1:30 pm

Is this really easy? I usually do from bad to ok on body language tests. But I got 6/6 right on this one.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/hidd ... lent-tests (you may have to click "take a test" and then scroll up to find it)

I wonder if there's a clinical term for a big split between the ability to closely identify negative body language like lying and a worse ability to identify positive body language, like flirting.



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06 Mar 2013, 3:07 pm

I only got 1 of 6 right, but I already knew that I can't tell lies from truth.


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06 Mar 2013, 5:07 pm

2/6

Yep. I can't tell the difference and each time was a guess.



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06 Mar 2013, 5:19 pm

I did the language one, and it decided that I didn't make the "honor roll" because I can't do timed tests.

It didn't know that I am learning my 3rd foreign language and can read 7 different languages, including a few that I have never studied before.

Don't put a lot of stock in tests such as these. You know yourself.



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06 Mar 2013, 6:01 pm

I got 4/6. Anyone notice the pattern to the answers(don't want to spoil it)?



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06 Mar 2013, 8:47 pm

I got 5/6, even while dragging the "timer" ahead and skipping some of the video.

Then again, the only thing one is required to think about in the test is the task at hand, while, in real conversation, one's mind is preoccupied by a million other distractions. Also, having only two possible answers--"yes" or "no"--increases the possibility that guessing--which I'll admit I did a bit of during the test--will be successful.



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06 Mar 2013, 10:27 pm

4/6.

First guy was a convincing liar, he seemed sincere to me but wasn't according to the answer key. The other two guys were obviously lying. The first woman seemed pretty sincere but I couldn't tell either way with the other two women.



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06 Mar 2013, 11:02 pm

My result: 4/6.

WerewolfPoet wrote:
Then again, the only thing one is required to think about in the test is the task at hand, while, in real conversation, one's mind is preoccupied by a million other distractions. Also, having only two possible answers--"yes" or "no"--increases the possibility that guessing--which I'll admit I did a bit of during the test--will be successful.

My thoughts exactly.


Did anyone read the descriptions afterwards? I didn't notice anything of that.
I thought the first two sounded as if they were reading a script. The next two sounded sincere, they sounded to me like they meant what they said, and that it was something they had put a lot of thought into. The last two confused me.


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06 Mar 2013, 11:46 pm

Interestingly, when I was tested clinically, I had very specific, detailed knowledge of negative body language but a very shaky grasp of positive body language.

I can always just "feel" when someone is lying, and I can't say I've ever been wrong. I can also feel when no one wants me around, or when someone doesn't want to talk to me, so no one has ever asked me to leave a situation or place. I've never been rejected by the opposite gender.

I can't similarly feel if someone is flirting, interested, or wants to be friends. I know negative very well, but I can't distinguish between positive body language and neutral or between positives to save my life. If someone has lots of positive body language but only one negative micro expression, perhaps indicating a lie or rejection of something, that's all I'll notice.



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07 Mar 2013, 12:09 am

As they are strangers I have no way of knowing what the baseline for normal behavior is for them, and what could be due to anxiousness/quirks/RLS/stims/drugs/normalness/lying ? :( Got 3/6.
The "Behavioural Insights" part after the test was a little terrifying - listed both moving ones feet (bad news for stimmy or fidgety folks) AND keeping still (bad news for stimmy or fidgety folks trying to suppress that) as a sign of lying, but then one of the women telling the truth was very rigid (but was described as "relaxed") so what is considered honest NT body movement? Both a rhetorical question and a sincere one. Also, things like qualifiers and not enough I statements or a lot of them and "convincing" are all things that are normal under different circumstances - if someone is unsure or just are that way or humble or confident or been socialized as a woman or using nerd voice - it's not just about earnest or lying. Horrible that what they think of as "is worried" equates "is lying"? Surely that's situation dependant.

http://www.thedirtynormal.com/2010/07/27/feminism-the-nerd-voice-and-david-mitchell/ wrote:
"The nerd voice. Ms Vowell defines being a nerd as “going too far and caring too much about a subject.” The “nerd voice” is the apology that accompanies an assertion of deep understanding and detailed knowledge. It’s a wildly confident declamation plus a self-deprecatory shot at your own knowledge and opinions, thus knocking the feet out from under the would-be hater.

I rejected the nerd voice when I was young because I’m a girl and got socialized to say things like, “This might sound stupid but…” or “…but maybe that’s a dumb question” or “I could be wrong but…” At some point during my adolescence I rejected that kind of “good girl” apologizing because I DIDN’T think I was stupid, dumb, or wrong; I thought I was smart, interesting, and right. Why should I apologize just because my intelligence and knowledge make you feel bad? That’s your problem, I thought as a bumptious adolescent.

I’ve since been working on learning the nerd voice. I know that my life would be better if I could master it, because the function of the nerd voice is to make people comfortable with your knowledge, let them know that you know that it’s silly to know so much about something, that you don’t think you’re better than they are just because you know stuff and enjoy knowing stuff."



(I'm sleep-deprived so I don't have much energy for grammar or being un-ranty, not directed at anyone special. carry on?)



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07 Mar 2013, 1:41 am

Anomiel wrote:
As they are strangers I have no way of knowing what the baseline for normal behavior is for them, and what could be due to anxiousness/quirks/RLS/stims/drugs/normalness/lying ? :( Got 3/6.
The "Behavioural Insights" part after the test was a little terrifying - listed both moving ones feet (bad news for stimmy or fidgety folks) AND keeping still (bad news for stimmy or fidgety folks trying to suppress that) as a sign of lying, but then one of the women telling the truth was very rigid (but was described as "relaxed") so what is considered honest NT body movement? Both a rhetorical question and a sincere one. Also, things like qualifiers and not enough I statements or a lot of them and "convincing" are all things that are normal under different circumstances - if someone is unsure or just are that way or humble or confident or been socialized as a woman or using nerd voice - it's not just about earnest or lying. Horrible that what they think of as "is worried" equates "is lying"? Surely that's situation dependant.

Yea, nervousness doesn't automatically equate to lying. It's possible to be nervous about not being believed even when you're telling the truth. Socially confident people are going to appear less nervous whether they're lying or telling the truth and the opposite goes for socially awkward people. Looking at body language for signs of nervousness is going to be heavily biased against anyone with AS and in favor of NT psychopaths who have little or no anxiety when lying.

In real life it's easier to go on things other than nervousness. A better thing to look for is irritability. From my experience liars start to get mad when they think you might be on to them. They also do compensatory things like raising their voice and stringing out their words instead of using contractions.



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07 Mar 2013, 4:31 am

marshall wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
The "Behavioural Insights" part after the test was a little terrifying - listed both moving ones feet (bad news for stimmy or fidgety folks) AND keeping still (bad news for stimmy or fidgety folks trying to suppress that) as a sign of lying, but then one of the women telling the truth was very rigid (but was described as "relaxed") so what is considered honest NT body movement?

Yea, nervousness doesn't automatically equate to lying. It's possible to be nervous about not being believed even when you're telling the truth. Socially confident people are going to appear less nervous whether they're lying or telling the truth and the opposite goes for socially awkward people. Looking at body language for signs of nervousness is going to be heavily biased against anyone with AS and in favor of NT psychopaths who have little or no anxiety when lying.

In real life it's easier to go on things other than nervousness. A better thing to look for is irritability. From my experience liars start to get mad when they think you might be on to them. They also do compensatory things like raising their voice and stringing out their words instead of using contractions.


Actually I can get irritated if someone keep asking and I think I have answered sufficiently already.

Agree 100% about the res of the quoted posts. That's why I'd refuse a lie detector test if it came to it. The only things it'd prove was that I was nervous, and just knowing that I was being tested would make me nervous.


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07 Mar 2013, 12:00 pm

Anomiel wrote:
The "Behavioural Insights" part after the test was a little terrifying - listed both moving ones feet (bad news for stimmy or fidgety folks) AND keeping still (bad news for stimmy or fidgety folks trying to suppress that) as a sign of lying, but then one of the women telling the truth was very rigid (but was described as "relaxed") so what is considered honest NT body movement?


I wouldn't worry too much about body language, people will assume you're being dishonest anyway if you break eye contact all the time.


Scored 3/6. Thought everyone but the last two was lying, the first one being the most convincing liar.
Some had really obvious tells, aparently even if they weren't lying. But that's probably due to the nature of the topic.



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07 Mar 2013, 12:35 pm

heck yeah baby!! ! 5/6 i knew iwas good at catching filthy liars. Last one was tough because of her thick accent but i got it right. The one i got wrong was number 4. i thought she was lying but she was telling the truth.


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07 Mar 2013, 12:44 pm

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I got 5/6, even while dragging the "timer" ahead and skipping some of the video.

Then again, the only thing one is required to think about in the test is the task at hand, while, in real conversation, one's mind is preoccupied by a million other distractions. Also, having only two possible answers--"yes" or "no"--increases the possibility that guessing--which I'll admit I did a bit of during the test--will be successful.
i knew within the first few seconds if they were liars. last one was tricky though.


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31 Mar 2013, 11:57 am

I got 4 out of 6. I winged it i was squinting trying to see if they were shaking their heads while speaking affirmative or doing contradictory movements.
I'm not sure which 2 i missed...