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GreenTechnoFox
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11 Mar 2013, 5:06 pm

My mother signed me up for selective service as she never thought I could be drafted, but with the situation in Korea I am worried I will be drafted. I am not cut out for the military. I deal with stress issues, and if they put me in combat I might go crazy. :cry:

I am a person who is a pacifist. I do not want to die for a needless cause!



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11 Mar 2013, 5:24 pm

A few things to consider:

The US utilizes an all volunteer military and has since the Vietnam War. It works better for us that way, After 9/11 and at some of the tougher parts of Iraq 2005 in particular, recruitment numbers were down, instead of a draft, the military expanded the range of options for entry, changed the upper age and engaged higher bonuses for those who could be admitted.

Selective service registration for those males over 18 is a requirement in order to receive specific benefits (student loans) from the government.

As a conscientious objector, you probably could not be required to serve in combat.

The US population has grown war weary and as a result would be resistant to an imposed draft.

If you feel it is necessary to rule out military service, you could apply, take the ASVAB, visit the medical screening and be screened out as unfit for service, thus not being eligible for service in the future.



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11 Mar 2013, 5:31 pm

it's very hard to get a conscientious objector status. it's best, if trying that, to be a member of a pacifist church like the quakers.



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11 Mar 2013, 5:54 pm

I f you are being treated with drugs for anything ancillary to your autism/Asperger's like depression or anxiety, that could also preclude military service.



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11 Mar 2013, 6:03 pm

Fozi wrote:
I f you are being treated with drugs for anything ancillary to your autism/Asperger's like depression or anxiety, that could also preclude military service.


I used to take medicine, but not anymore. Although I did have one incident in middle school where I thought about suicide. Plus I pointed a air-soft gun at my mother because I was angry. Does that count?



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11 Mar 2013, 6:08 pm

Fozi wrote:
A few things to consider:

The US utilizes an all volunteer military and has since the Vietnam War. It works better for us that way, After 9/11 and at some of the tougher parts of Iraq 2005 in particular, recruitment numbers were down, instead of a draft, the military expanded the range of options for entry, changed the upper age and engaged higher bonuses for those who could be admitted.

Selective service registration for those males over 18 is a requirement in order to receive specific benefits (student loans) from the government.

As a conscientious objector, you probably could not be required to serve in combat.

The US population has grown war weary and as a result would be resistant to an imposed draft.

If you feel it is necessary to rule out military service, you could apply, take the ASVAB, visit the medical screening and be screened out as unfit for service, thus not being eligible for service in the future.


I fear that once things heat up with North Korea we will be dragged into a war

I see

I am a conscious objector, but I am not a member of a church. (See thread below.)

I hope so.

Does incidents that happened in middle school disqualify me? I have had stress issues and I currently have parapro's in most of my classes. (Except for Cisco as that is an aspies's paradise.)



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11 Mar 2013, 9:37 pm

if you have aspergers i don't think you will be drafted



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12 Mar 2013, 6:04 am

The USA has the most powerful military in the world. It doesn't need conscripts.



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12 Mar 2013, 8:37 am

Is there no alternative to the military in your country? So sadly young men are still forced to go to military in my country, but at least since 30 years you are able to choose if you want to go to the "real" army or do alternative social work during that time. (Helping in hospitals and so on.)

I was wondering if there really is no alternative, because for many persons there is no possibility to go to army, because of religious causes, so there had to be an offered alternative?



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12 Mar 2013, 9:55 am

GreenTechnoFox wrote:
My mother signed me up for selective service ... :cry: ... I do not want to die ...

Those who enter military service must accept the idea that they are already dead.

Besides, not everybody goes into the infantry - just those who have no other useful skills.


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12 Mar 2013, 11:28 am

Schneekugel wrote:
Is there no alternative to the military in your country? So sadly young men are still forced to go to military in my country, but at least since 30 years you are able to choose if you want to go to the "real" army or do alternative social work during that time. (Helping in hospitals and so on.)

I was wondering if there really is no alternative, because for many persons there is no possibility to go to army, because of religious causes, so there had to be an offered alternative?


Um I do not want to join at all. I would rather be on the sidelines connecting routers and making sure all the tech and comm systems are connected. My battlefield is with technology, not with a gun.

Are you from Germany?



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12 Mar 2013, 11:31 am

Fnord wrote:
GreenTechnoFox wrote:
My mother signed me up for selective service ... :cry: ... I do not want to die ...

Those who enter military service must accept the idea that they are already dead.

Besides, not everybody goes into the infantry - just those who have no other useful skills.


Well then I would take my own squad down with me when I could get the chance. I am a pacifist, but I have had "issues" in school, and I have had to go to a psychiatrist for them. Now I am fine now, but with all that stress of the army I would most defiantly loose it.

I am currently in Cisco 2, I may not have as much experiences as others in computers, but I can learn about them as good as anyone I know.



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12 Mar 2013, 1:40 pm

GreenTechnoFox wrote:
Fnord wrote:
GreenTechnoFox wrote:
My mother signed me up for selective service ... :cry: ... I do not want to die ...
Those who enter military service must accept the idea that they are already dead. Besides, not everybody goes into the infantry - just those who have no other useful skills.

Well then I would take my own squad down with me when I could get the chance. I am a pacifist...

Pacifists do not kill, and they especially do not kill members of their own squad. You are not a pacifist if you would take your own squad down with you when you could get the chance.

It seems that your reluctance to serve is more related to fear than to ethical principles.


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12 Mar 2013, 2:07 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
GreenTechnoFox wrote:
My mother signed me up for selective service ... :cry: ... I do not want to die ...
Those who enter military service must accept the idea that they are already dead. Besides, not everybody goes into the infantry - just those who have no other useful skills.

Well then I would take my own squad down with me when I could get the chance. I am a pacifist...

Pacifists do not kill, and they especially do not kill members of their own squad. You are not a pacifist if you would take your own squad down with you when you could get the chance.

It seems that your reluctance to serve is more related to fear than to ethical principles.


Did I say I wanted the capability to take such action in the first place? Sadly I do have a history of doing things I regret to this day, yet I have chosen the life of pacifism from these said choices. If I was pushed I would act on instinct, and my instincts in the past have lead me to choices that could have dire consequences for me today. I never said I could control myself if I was in the military. I merely specified that I am morally against violence. Even the most peaceful people can loose it one day, of course I would never do such a thing unless I was under such stress as the military would provide me.



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12 Mar 2013, 2:47 pm

Only a small percent of the military ever see conflict. Also as it stands right now the U.S military is removing a percentage of our standing military (I believe it's been awhile since I checked). Also a war in Korea would not require the draft to be reinstated, the US military is better equipped and trained than the North Koreans. So you shouldn't have to worry about being drafted.

About being unfit to serve, if you were on any prescribed medications in the last year, in regards to mental health, you are barred from enlistment. Also Asperger's syndrome, as well as any Axis II disorder bars anyone from enlistment without a medical waiver.



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12 Mar 2013, 2:57 pm

Sheerboredom wrote:
... in regards to mental health, you are barred from enlistment. Also Asperger's syndrome...

Odd ... I served for six years and received an honorable discharge for my service about ten years before my official diagnosis.


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