Scientology, your opinion

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I grew up on a hill with a bunch of Scientologists. You can read a bit about that here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt228041.html

I recently moved for the first time. The strange looks I get when I tell people about my past make me wonder. I want to know what you guys think I will also answer questions, so please ask them. -Steve

I don't think much of scientology, tbh. It extorts a lot of money from people and its teachings on healthcare are dangerous.

EDIT: damn apostrophes again

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Scientology...

That covers just about everything.

It is rare we get to hear from people formerly on the "inside". In particular, your description of your first encounter with a psychologist was very interesting. I have read what Scientologists think about this subject before, but it was usually from people who are mouth pieces of the organization on payroll with a clear agenda; not from someone who has grown up with these beliefs and then suddenly been thrust out from them. I hope you are adapting well to life after "the church", I sincerely wish you the best of luck.

I think the people who run the church are a bunch of sociopaths. Starting with LRH.

LRH needed to hype his dianetics, so created a story filled with the craziest stuff imaginable. His fiction writing status somehow didn't deter a bunch of loons from latching on to it and then force feeding it into the minds of the desperate and needy and vulnerable, extorting them for the sake of profit. Using tactics an extortionist would call dirty, they've continued to propagate the crazy scheme under the guise and protection of the law by simply calling it a religion.

But, that is just my opinion.

Sometimes truth is much stranger than fiction.

Read up on Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, and Marjorie Cameron. L Ron Hubbard was Jack Parson's roommate, the Babalon Workings (believe it or not I did spell that right) were an event or undertaking where Jack Parsons and Marjorie Cameron were trying to create....err...trying to incarnate some type of mystical superintelligence by sex magick rituals. They said that L Ron Hubbard was part of the Babalon workings but I didn't get the details on whether he and Jack were both tag-teaming Marjorie or whether L Ron was giving the sex magick moral support from the corner (regardless that's one room I wouldn't want to sit in!).

For those not familiar with Aleister Crowley, aka. in his own words 'The Beast', He reformed the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) and Argenteum Astrum (I'd abbreviate but don't know how to do the 'therefor' sign), was the guy who fully formed the concept of Thelema and in 1904 believed himself to have received a spiritual transmission/channeling from what he thought to be his guardian angel and then transmittions from Nut (Egyptian godess) and Horus - son of Osiris and Isis; from these writings he wrote "The Law", which is the 'Do what thou wilt' law of Thelema. Additionally he was the guy who went out to Algeria in....1917 or 1918?....and did 48 of the 49 invocations of the Enochian keys (which came of the workings of Dr. John Dee and Edward Kelly in the 1580's). Supposedly he was one of the foremost scholars of the Enochian transmissions, studied them perhaps in greater depth than anyone thus far had within the Golden Dawn. What were the Enochian keys about? They were given supposedly to Edward Kelly by the archangels. Why? They apparently wanted occultists to trigger the end times of Revelations, or at least this is how they described it, and each Enochian key in the invocation would open the four gates a little bit more - except that only the antichrist himself would have the 49th to complete the process.

Oh and on a side note - for those who think Wicca is cool and even might think it's got an uncanny similarity to OTO and Freemasonry in its structure - you're right. Gerald Gardener asked Aleister Crowley for his system and mentioned that he wanted to start his own version based on witches (his admission - he was in it for the naked women dancing around the campfire, shame for him they didn't have Viagra back in his day). Wicca was a rip off of Argenteum Astrum, Argenteum Astrum and OTO were a rip off of Freemasonry, hence in relationship to Freemasonry, Wicca is a knock-off of a knock-off.

Aleister Crowley mentored Jack Parsons, a young...err....Thelemite himself who was high up in the California branch of the Ordo Templi Orientis as well as the Temple of Set. Jack was also a rocket propulsion engineer, founder of NASA-JPL. Majorie's story was a little bit different - it sounds like she just got pulled in and had an affinity for magick of that sort and it seemed like she just came pre-built with natural talents in witchcraft/sorcery. So together in that circle you had 'The Beast' (Aleister Crowley), Jack Parsons who claimed to be the Antichrist (no small ego for sure), and Marjorie who was encouraged to believe that she was the Scarlet Woman/Mystery Babylon in the flesh - something she eventually sort of agreed with and saw in herself. For better or worse Jack blew himself up in the lab before Marjorie ever conceived the moon child.

As far as L Ron Hubbard's founding of Scientology - I have no idea what he was doing. I don't think Aleister Crowley ever met L Ron Hubbard, at least as far as I remember I know Jack Parsons wanted to introduce Marjorie to him but never got the chance. What I can say is that - like Gerald Gardner and Wicca, I'm sure L Ron Hubbard took plenty of organizational ideas from OTO, Temple of Set, as well as applying his own innovations. Ideologically it seems like Scientology is quite a ways removed from anything directly Crowley or Parsons influenced but the structure seems much more built around having an iron grip on the minds of those inside of the core organization - ie. it's been a bit of a mind control experiment.

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Utter bollocks!

http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Rockets-Occul ... 0922915970
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babalon_Working

Just to show I didn't just pull the entirely story above out of my arse.

Colorful crowd to say the least.

I think ruveyn was commenting on the occult in general, rather than the veracity of your (entertaining) story.

Lol, I figured that.

Still it reminded me that one of my honorary forum wives would be around to throw dishes unless I answer 'Prove it!' before its asked. Even if its all real history they'll somehow twist the conversation into me peddling what they'd deem magick, fairy dust, unicorns, etc..

Thanks for all the replies!
Techstepgener8tion, quite a story. I suspect Scientology was set up for the purpose of mind-control. I have met many Scientologists and can say they are devoutly controlled by the scripture and recordings of L Ron. And there's nothing you can say to change their minds about their view of L Ron.
A lot of you think it's scam, why? The courses are outrageously expensive, and if you're to be a scientologist you'll be convinced to take them. The people who are in charge were likely in a situation like that before. Unless there is a very super secret high ranking circle that is scamming everyone, I don't see it happening. Scientologists work very hard to do what they do; I don't think they would trade their hard work for money. If they are scamming people it's unknowingly.
What I think is scary is that they want everyone in the world to Scientologists, and they have a shot. They have schools (one of the ones I went to), Narcanon, The Way To Happiness, Learning How to Learn (and other similar courses), Churches around the globe, The Freewinds etc. Make your own opinion, but I think it's only going to be better and better for Scientology in my lifetime.
I think it's a mind-control experiment started by a delusional nut and it has gone on way too long.
-Steve

Another resource is Jenna Miscavige Hill. I remember her being on C2C a couple months ago, unfortunately its not on YouTube anymore that I'm aware of. She says a lot about how the 'auditing' worked and how they were able to break down people's identities and dominate free thought so completely that they essentially had a prison without needing any bars or gates. Also the ridiculously absurd part of the doctrine about thetans doesn't come out until you've been in it for years and have already sunk tens of thousands of dollars in.

I got audited a couple times. I forgot most of it though. I went to this rich guys house, played halo, airsoft and got audited. It was pretty fun, but I'm sure my parents paid way too much for it. Scientology's exchange policy makes them never give anything for free. I've never read anything about thetans, but have a basic idea of what they are. I thought they were low level teachings though.
The mind as a prison is exactly what it is, and it works very well.
What's your opinion on Misunderstood Words (MUs)? They take it to an extreme. It's the #1 excuse for stuff going sideways. While Scientology doesn't consider it religious, I think they take it to a religious level.
-Steve

he late sci-fi writer Theodore Sturgeon, who was the basis of Kurt Vonnegut's Kilgore Trout, claimed to have been present when L. Ron Hubbard said he was going to start his own religion.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

There was a guy in Switzerland named Eduard Meier who tried to sell his own sort of theosophic cult via false UFO footage and claiming extensive contact with beings he called Pleiadians/Plejarans. It was really just him taking his own philosophies and pinning it on a so-called race of 'space humans'. Seems like he lacked some of the marketing and organizational know-how.