MASSIVE rallies against the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

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The_Face_of_Boo
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30 Jun 2013, 4:23 pm

Do you remember Tequila when I told you that the Islamists cannot rule alone and the way they like?

Do you remember when I told you (you and the ones like you) that the fall of dictatorships is the first step toward change/progress?

Because I recall well that many of you westerners had the common theory that said: OMFG Egyptians are revolting against Mubarak!! !! If he falls Egypt will become an Islamist state like Iran, we should support Mubarak and keep those Arabs pressed under the dictator's boots like cockroaches so we westerners can feel safe!! !

^ seriously, some had that tone.

As we see, all this theory was bullock, Liberals are increasing their strength, and Islamism is weakening in popularity after the fall of the dictator.

Funny, today the west govs are supporting Mursi against the liberal rallies.

Tahrir square, Cairo
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Lol not a very religious audience, the praying ones can be easily seen.
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30 Jun 2013, 5:30 pm

This is where we see what happens.

Freedom must be purchased with blood. The Muslim Brotherhood is prepared to kill to retain power. If those who want to be free fear dying to be free, the brotherhood will ultimately prevail.

Most who want to be free don't understand the sacrifice that may be required to obtain it.



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30 Jun 2013, 5:41 pm

I knew you'd call me out. I didn't know you loved me so much. ;)

Here, have a beer with me.

(brofist)

I do know that there are protests going on in Egypt. They seem to be happening often.

Just because the Muslim Brotherhood is being protested against - I know that people in Egypt are seriously pissed off with Morsi - doesn't mean that they want secular, liberal, Western-style democracy. At least not yet, and perhaps not for some time to come.

That said, I think we should leave them to it. Watch from the sidelines.

Europeans centuries ago would not have been pleased with Muslims sorting out their battles for them (especially considering the Gates of Vienna and the like). Why any different now?



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30 Jun 2013, 5:45 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Freedom must be purchased with blood. The Muslim Brotherhood is prepared to kill to retain power.


Not different from that racist despot currently ruining Turkey then (the West's coverage of Erdoğan has been fecking disgusting), only he is a little bit milder than the lot in Egypt.



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30 Jun 2013, 6:05 pm

Here you go:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QERdvcCuqJY[/youtube]
Seems you are right. This man's good.

Helpful harbingers, anyway.



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30 Jun 2013, 10:46 pm

Why are we hearing so little from the mainstream media about how Libya has turned out?

Oh yes, that's because the 'pro-democracy' forces there, which Britain, France and the U.S. actively supported, were all too eager to introduce a fundamentalist regime guided by Sharia Law once they had murdered Muammar Qathafi and his family. The same outcome will occur in Syria if N.A.T.O. countries decide to once again intervene (a.k.a. meddle) in the internal affairs of a sovereign, Middle Eastern nation.



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01 Jul 2013, 2:48 am

Lintar wrote:
Why are we hearing so little from the mainstream media about how Libya has turned out?

Oh yes, that's because the 'pro-democracy' forces there, which Britain, France and the U.S. actively supported, were all too eager to introduce a fundamentalist regime guided by Sharia Law once they had murdered Muammar Qathafi and his family. The same outcome will occur in Syria if N.A.T.O. countries decide to once again intervene (a.k.a. meddle) in the internal affairs of a sovereign, Middle Eastern nation.


In case you don' know, the islamists lost the elections in Libya so there won't be a Sharia law there.

Even Mursi is unable to force any Sharia law.

Get over it, Westerners, of all orientations (leftists and right wing again), the Sharia law not gonna happen in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya.



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01 Jul 2013, 3:18 am

Tequila wrote:
I knew you'd call me out. I didn't know you loved me so much. ;)

Here, have a beer with me.

(brofist)

I do know that there are protests going on in Egypt. They seem to be happening often.

Just because the Muslim Brotherhood is being protested against - I know that people in Egypt are seriously pissed off with Morsi - doesn't mean that they want secular, liberal, Western-style democracy. At least not yet, and perhaps not for some time to come.


Yes, they do want full democracy in 'Western-style': Monitoring the regime's performance, total freedom of speech and criticism, no religious laws, preventing to change the core values/identity of the country (like Mursi is trying to do).

That what the opposition had been always saying.

But yeah, that doesn't mean their laws would be totally western, Islamic influence would still be there in their constitution but that's totally different and way milder than imposing a Sharia law, like many western laws had been derived from Christian values.

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That said, I think we should leave them to it. Watch from the sidelines.


But you're not, the US has been backing Mursi against the liberals/moderates, the US-Brotherhood relation never been better, why? Because Mursi is keeping Israel totally safe by closing all the Egypt-Palestine canals; something that even Mubarak didn't do.



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01 Jul 2013, 6:18 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Lintar wrote:
Why are we hearing so little from the mainstream media about how Libya has turned out?

Oh yes, that's because the 'pro-democracy' forces there, which Britain, France and the U.S. actively supported, were all too eager to introduce a fundamentalist regime guided by Sharia Law once they had murdered Muammar Qathafi and his family. The same outcome will occur in Syria if N.A.T.O. countries decide to once again intervene (a.k.a. meddle) in the internal affairs of a sovereign, Middle Eastern nation.


In case you don' know, the islamists lost the elections in Libya so there won't be a Sharia law there.

Even Mursi is unable to force any Sharia law.

Get over it, Westerners, of all orientations (leftists and right wing again), the Sharia law not gonna happen in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya.


Don't disillusion him. He must be right at all costs. :lol:



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01 Jul 2013, 6:29 am

Tequila wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Freedom must be purchased with blood. The Muslim Brotherhood is prepared to kill to retain power.


Not different from that racist despot currently ruining Turkey then (the West's coverage of Erdoğan has been fecking disgusting), only he is a little bit milder than the lot in Egypt.


Yes, and the EU is considering restart negotiations for Turquey to join the club, now that the country's government is exerting brutal repression on its citizens. I will let you decide which club I'm refering to.



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01 Jul 2013, 8:20 am

Mencken wrote:
The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it.



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02 Jul 2013, 8:20 am

Kurgan wrote:
Mencken wrote:
The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it.


"I don't drink water. Fish f**k in it."

Would actually be good advice for the Middle East. Open a bottle of gin and chill out.



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02 Jul 2013, 10:21 am

Yet another female journalist is savagely gang-raped in Tahrir Square - this time, she's Dutch:

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  • Hospital reports Dutch journalist underwent gang rape in Cairo square several days ago. Reporter released from hospital after undergoing surgery
Egyptian media reported Sunday that a Dutch journalist was raped by several men in Cairo's Tahrir Square a few days ago.

Dina Zakaria, a journalist reporting for the "Egypt 25" news channel affiliated with the January 25 revolution, shared the incident on her Facebook page Sunday: "A Dutch journalist in Tahrir was raped by men who dub themselves revolutionists. Her condition is severe and she is hospitalized."

Meanwhile, a state hospital issued a statement that the journalist was admitted after being raped by five men several days ago. She underwent surgery and has been released. It was also reported that Egypt's Prosecutor General Talaat Abdallah ordered his staff to go to the hospital to hear the woman's story and reveal the circumstances behind the violent attack.