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blackdove
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03 Feb 2007, 2:28 am

psychiatry is fraud, and none of their so called diseases have ever even been invalidated. and if you watch the video at the end you will see that all of the psychiatrists completely and blatantly admit to never actually curing anyone. there isnt even a test for chemicals in the brain so chemical imbalance is actually 100% made up.



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03 Feb 2007, 2:28 am

Good one.



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03 Feb 2007, 2:35 am

So what else is new? I wish there WAS a simple test. Then again, any doctor could do THAT!

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03 Feb 2007, 3:12 am

I seen that Grace Jackson's(in the video) name on some anti-ADHD articals. She rejects that ADHD is real. I stopped watching when I saw her. Some one on an ADHD forum site posted an artical she wrote is how I know about her.

This is Scientology funded crap.



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03 Feb 2007, 3:43 am

Yea, I knew this was Scientology thing the minute I saw it.

Oust you!



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03 Feb 2007, 3:57 am

You know what? I wish this fool(whoever made this video) could feel what's going on inside my head whenever my depression's got me at the point I can barely function......or my schizophrenic aunt who can't even live on her own. Better yet, let him come down with one of those "fake" illnesses and let's see how fast he'll refuse his "fake" meds then.

It's attitudes like this that make insurance companies reluctant to cover anything having to do with mental health. So I have to fight them tooth and nail just to get them to cover my medication or suffer because I can't afford the $250 price tag for a month's supply :evil:


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03 Feb 2007, 4:02 am

nirrti_rachelle wrote:
You know what? I wish this fool could feel what's going on inside my head whenever my depression's got me at the point I can barely function......or my schizophrenic aunt who can't take even live on her own. Better yet, let him come down with one of those "fake" illnesses and let's see how fast he'll refuse his "fake" meds then. :evil:


Or meets me and my Bi-Polar syndrome. I reel from hyper to angry to sad.


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03 Feb 2007, 4:04 am

That is correct: there is no imbalance.

(Perhaps life is just as impossible than one thought it was)

The "miracle drugs" to correct a pretend chemical imbalance isn't the best thing in the world. A mind-altering "miracle cure" just tunes one in on a different station but that is anogolous to a noisy station. What does a "noisy station" do for the brain? How can everyone ignore the invalidness to this simplicity?



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03 Feb 2007, 4:12 am

That's all fine and dandy till you find yourself crying over tiny things one day then beating things over them the next, then being a human ping-pong ball of energy the next.


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03 Feb 2007, 4:40 am

blackdove wrote:
psychiatry is fraud, and none of their so called diseases have ever even been invalidated. and if you watch the video at the end you will see that all of the psychiatrists completely and blatantly admit to never actually curing anyone. there isnt even a test for chemicals in the brain so chemical imbalance is actually 100% made up.


You can make anything look false and stupid by selectively quoting them and putting them in a propagandistic video like that. Saying Autism is a "fraud" because it has no measurable basis is stupid, they never ask why... they think human science has these omnipotent instruments to measure biological processes in people in real time, it doesn't... they still dont know how we calculatee 1+1=2 for god sakes. It's a problem of instrumentation, its not that "psychology is a fraud" we're certain people have problems, we just Lack the instrumentation to make them rigorous.

Whats the difference between "normal" and "disordered" whats the standard of normal, does science know? f**k no, they have no f*****g clue.

The problem is the whole of science and their instrumentation when it comes to understanding and measuring biological processes is in the dark ages.



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03 Feb 2007, 6:00 am

In order for someone to survive without an objective disease, the brain has to have the correct balance and utilization of hormones and nutrients etc. The brain is objectively not physically sick if it is carrying out all of its functions... Some drugs can alter these regulating functions to significantly abnormal. This is called impairment. I'm saying that some of these "medications" can impair the secretion or inhibition of hormones in the brain. This is why, for example, stimulants can increase blood-pressure and inhibit some growth hormone secretion. Its because these functions are regulated by neurotransmitter activity.

Another thing to consider is that the brain regulates its sleep patterns as well. Scientists have documentations of what normal sleeping patterns are.

But when we go along to somewhere like examining parkinsons disease etc then I think that we still can find evidence that the brain repairs itself if it had been introduced to new / incubated dopamine producing neuronal cell tissue (of ones own DNA pattern). This is not what we are looking for when we think of stuff like "autism" or "aspergers" (these are supposed to be in the feild of neurology) - especially since aspergers in linked to inquisitive behavior in subjectivly favorable ways. Anyway, as for the incubated cell repair thing, this is also true for repairing stuff like spinal cord injuries.. which are related to paralysis etc. But that looks like the end of the road after that when we approach the realm of mental disoder.



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03 Feb 2007, 6:12 am

blackdove wrote:
psychiatry is fraud, and none of their so called diseases have ever even been invalidated. and if you watch the video at the end you will see that all of the psychiatrists completely and blatantly admit to never actually curing anyone. there isnt even a test for chemicals in the brain so chemical imbalance is actually 100% made up.


Actually... homosexuality was once considered by them to be a disease, so that isn't quite accurate.



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03 Feb 2007, 9:10 am

I think much of the problem is allowing Autism and Asperger's to be called pyschiatric or mental illness in any way. It's a neurological disorder that can cause symptoms such as depression and anxiety as fallout. By lumping it as a mental illness, they are just lending themselves to the thinking that we 'choose' to be this way and we could 'change' if we wanted to <yawn>. Neurology offers a much more logical theory that things are just shut down in certain areas, which can be different for each of us and thus why we experience different symptoms. It also makes it easier for the NTs to understand and deal with. I don't for one minute believe that at two and three I 'decided' to act strange.

Years ago a roommate sent me to a psychiatrist and all it did was frustrate him and I quickly lost patience with him. My helpful GP put me on prescription Quaaludes and Darvon three times a day for five years in the 1970's because he was convinced my migraines were stress induced (well, knowing my mother the way he did, I could see why he'd think that). They weren't. They were caused by the fact that I had almost no Estrogen, so my hormones were out of balance. After giving me a prescription for Stadol (a synthetic opiate that makes you hallucinate) a Gyno finally figured that out when I went on the pill (a high dose Estrogen one), my migraines went away for years, only to return when I had a tubal ligation and went off the pill. He then tested my hormones and found out what had been causing my migraines all those years. Frankly, I begin to think that the amount of things they actually do know would fit into the head of a needle. The rest is guess work and you are their guinea pig. They all want you to let them 'try' something. My days of letting them 'try' things on me are over.



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03 Feb 2007, 9:55 am

$cientology gives anti-psychiatry a bad name. (So do psychodynamic psychiatrists who oppose biological psychiatry because they're professional rivals with biological psychiatrists.)

And people who go "Some people have experiences like hearing voices that aren't there and believing things that are totally implausible, therefore ideas like 'schizophrenia' are valid ones and the current psychiatric 'treatments' and explanations for it all make sense" give psychiatry a bad name.

A quote I've mentioned before in this context (note I'm not a fan of Szasz in particular, but the argument that Cal Montgomery makes here is an important one regardless of who she's referring to):

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He’s the guy saying there’s no such thing as mental illness, right?

And so people drag out their friends, their relatives, and their acquaintances — and their friends’ relatives’ acquaintances — to refute him.

The people among us who attempt suicide, the people who commit incomprehensible crimes, the people who hold bizarre beliefs — if the existence of these people doesn’t prove the reality of mental illness, then what possibly could?

But this isn’t so much a refutation of Szasz as a way to make his point: when we identify certain actions and beliefs with illness, when the criterion is incomprehensibility, we use the word illness in a different way than when we use it to talk about biology.


(Quoted it previously in this post I made about my experiences with the things that get called 'mental illnesses', and other people's reactions to them.)


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03 Feb 2007, 10:14 am

A dose of Scientology nonsense a day keeps the sane people away :P