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Endersdragon
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04 Feb 2007, 11:55 pm

I have been reading some articles about the John Odgren (the boy who stabbed his classmate) case and everyone is saying violence is not characteristic of Asperger's... then I get on here and go to the parents board and here everyone talking about breakdowns and ****. I know I had tons of breakdowns when I was younger so is it just me or is wrong to say that violence is not a characteristic of Asperger's when so many aspies have violent breakdowns.


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04 Feb 2007, 11:57 pm

Asperger's has turned into such a general term from what I've seen, any emotion or behavior that is not stereotypically normal falls under AS nowadays.

So sure, people with Asperger's are violent hippies I guess. lol.



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05 Feb 2007, 12:14 am

I went through a period of breakdowns as well. Maybe it's more prevalent during the developing years, because at this point I'm definately not a violent person and probably never will be.



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05 Feb 2007, 1:01 am

Breakdowns and meltdowns aren't often violent, as far as I know. I would guess that there are aspies who act out violently just as there are NTs who act out violently; but I really don't think I'd say violence is a characteristic of AS. Children's tantrums in general are "violent", whether AS or NT, so that's not really definitive. But the aspie kids are more likely to get overstimulated and/or frustrated, which results in more tantrums, which could lead to a flawed conclusion that they are more violent, I suppose.

My dad had several aspie-ish traits, and he did have a fairly quick, violent temper. But he was never aggressive towards people, just objects, and it blew over quickly too. He just got frustrated easily.

Personally, I have flown into a rage several times in my life where I was literally seeing red and wanted to kill someone. But, I've never done it and in fact have never even hurt anyone physically. I don't feel I'm a particularly violent person at all, if anything I avoid conflict and confrontation because it frightens me.



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05 Feb 2007, 1:09 am

Being male and young has a very high correlation with violence forget aspergers.



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05 Feb 2007, 1:14 am

I don't think violence like this is an AS thing. When people snap, anything can happen; often it's someone who's been screwed around for most of their life just not knowing their own strength. I don't condone people doing serious physical harm to those who've been bullying them, but I don't find it surprising either.

I was violent during my breakdowns, but never to other people - I was just spiteful and crude towards them. Kicking the door, knocking vases over, spitting on the carpet, screaming choice profanities, that kind of thing. To be honest, I doubt I'd have had the coordination to hurt someone when I was in that kind of a state. Even at my best, I'm constantly stumbling and bouncing off walls.



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05 Feb 2007, 1:15 am

I think that, due to the disconnect with an "easy" life of fitting in, more tension exists, anxiety, and then a "breakdown" or moment of extreme upset that is hard to manage. At this point the upset could manifest in violence, as without channeling and such, anything can happen.
However, as has been noted by individuals on this site that have gone thru martial arts training, once anger managment techniques are covered, first thing in martial arts I gather, the incidence of violence was removed as a manifestation.

So my guess is that, yes, due to AS volatility and such, more moments of upset can occur, and with reasonable management, they do not mean violence.


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05 Feb 2007, 1:17 am

I think that, due to the disconnect with an "easy" life of fitting in, more tension exists, anxiety, and then a "breakdown" or moment of extreme upset that is hard to manage. At this point the upset could manifest in violence, as without channeling and such, anything can happen.
However, as has been noted by individuals on this site that have gone thru martial arts training, once anger managment techniques are covered, first thing in martial arts I gather, the incidence of violence was removed as a manifestation.

So my guess is that, yes, due to AS volatility and such, more moments of upset can occur, and with reasonable management, they do not mean violence.


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05 Feb 2007, 3:33 am

shaucker wrote:
I was violent during my breakdowns, but never to other people - I was just spiteful and crude towards them. Kicking the door, knocking vases over, spitting on the carpet, screaming choice profanities, that kind of thing. To be honest, I doubt I'd have had the coordination to hurt someone when I was in that kind of a state. Even at my best, I'm constantly stumbling and bouncing off walls.
I'm the same way when I snap, but there were two times when I actually threw something in attempt to hit someone while I'm still in the same room with that person. I missed everytime though. :lol:



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05 Feb 2007, 5:45 am

fion wrote:
I'm the same way when I snap, but there were two times when I actually threw something in attempt to hit someone while I'm still in the same room with that person. I missed everytime though. :lol:


Eeep :) Were you able to explain afterwards? Most people who've seen me flip have been pretty cool about it, especially when they see what a mess I'm like once the screaming's over :oops:


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I think that, due to the disconnect with an "easy" life of fitting in, more tension exists, anxiety, and then a "breakdown" or moment of extreme upset that is hard to manage. At this point the upset could manifest in violence, as without channeling and such, anything can happen.


bookwerm also wrote:
So my guess is that, yes, due to AS volatility and such, more moments of upset can occur, and with reasonable management, they do not mean violence.


Agreed.

bookwerm wrote:
However, as has been noted by individuals on this site that have gone thru martial arts training, once anger managment techniques are covered, first thing in martial arts I gather, the incidence of violence was removed as a manifestation.


Bookwerm, do you have any experience with this yourself? I'd like to know what the process entails...



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05 Feb 2007, 6:19 am

Whilst Asperger's isn't directly related to violence I can understand the isolation and dispair these kids feel in a school environment. If you are bullied you can only be pushed so far and it seems thats what happened with John O.



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05 Feb 2007, 6:51 am

Sometimes, I just feel the need to break something. Playing video games makes me a little edgier, but I can also work off many of my fustrations by playing them.

What I need, though, is something cheap (nigh on free), recyclable and really satisfyingly breakable, with no regrets about destroying said material/object....


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05 Feb 2007, 10:43 am

I am an extremely non-violent person. That's not to say I don't throw things and break things when I get mad, just that I never intentionally cause physical harm to another human being (or animal, for that matter).



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05 Feb 2007, 11:03 am

i'm not a particularly violent person, although at certain periods during my life i have had tendencies towards violence.

interestingly, while i was going through the process of being diagnosed with aspergers, she actually asked me if i have or ever have had any violent tendencies. i got the impression she seemed to think violent tendencies can be common among aspies.


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05 Feb 2007, 12:29 pm

Asperger's does not equel violence. Look at the world today its a very violent place. When theres an incident like this NTs love to blame and generalize. Talk about an annoying charecteristic!!



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05 Feb 2007, 1:32 pm

Who the hell this the mainstream society think they are. I lashed out on a classroom the other
day for getting up in my face and i got a referel. If anything violence is not a thing about being
an aspie. I bet you anybody would piledrive a jackass redneck who treats you like a loser or
somebody who is different. Besides, I take out my anger on Metal Gear Solid 3, Snake Eater
and Subsistance for that matter so i`m not a threat to other people.