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10 Nov 2013, 9:42 pm

I have aspergers and am very good at poker. Is there a correlation between Aspergers and poker? For example, we can objectivity read people. On an obvious and simple level we can see "tells" objectively without the interference of emotion. If we hear the "click" ( a person looks down, shakes his head and makes a depressed sound....that means he has a GOOD hand.) Also, our mannerisms are so unusual that our opponents can make no sense of our "tells"!


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10 Nov 2013, 9:52 pm

On a side note (this strategy was not invented by an Aspergers person) I once tried the "Cool Hand Luke"* strategy. Unfortunately, it can only be used once against the same group of people. I walked into a bar and saw people playing poker. I asked if I could join. They all said,"YES"! I was delt a garbage hand. I kept raising!. Eventually, they all folded and I won the pot! Of course I had to say what Paul Neuman said in the movie,"sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand!"
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11 Nov 2013, 1:29 am

I absolutely suck at poker. People can read me like an open book, and I'll get fooled by a bluff every time.
I don't even bother playing anymore.


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11 Nov 2013, 10:19 am

It's odd you mention Asperger's making it easier to read people. A common symptom is not being able to read people.

I've thought about getting into poker because I would probably be really good at it. I cannot read people but I wouldn't notice things like fake bluffs. I'm good at games like that because I have photographic memory. Also it's impossible to read me and I am an expert at bluffs without even having to try. Nobody ever knows what I'm thinking.



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11 Nov 2013, 10:44 am

I think maybe by "read people" he means notice patterns in their behaviour. If certain behaviours accompany certain playing styles, and you pick up on those patterns, you can read people well as far as poker goes.

I'm pretty good at poker, but it's mostly because (a) I have a natural poker face and (b) I play unpredictably. I can't read people for s**t, and am usually drinking when I play poker so I'm not much for pattern recognition then.



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11 Nov 2013, 10:44 am

Schizpergers wrote:
It's odd you mention Asperger's making it easier to read people. A common symptom is not being able to read people.

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Thats what I would have thought.
Aspies should suck at poker.

The game for aspies would be blackjack (or "21"), because aspies (at least stereotypically) should be good at counting cards and adding the score in their heads.



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11 Nov 2013, 10:50 am

My ability to read tells is intellectual not intuitive. I hear the click I do not bet against. Normals rely on emotional intuition that can be manipulated.Logic cannot be manipulated.
Aspergers has turned me into a great actor.* I become the role(method acting). I look people in the eyes etc. I can make my mannerisms tell lies! Such as looking like I am pretending to have a good hand when I actual do have a good hand! 8O
* It is exhausting. But I "rehearse " whenever in public. After decades of constant practice, I have become an expert at acting.


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11 Nov 2013, 12:21 pm

I'm rubbish at poker - incapable of card counting and generally too neurotic.

I used to be good at the japanese board game "go", and got a good win rate by pretending to be incompetent. :)



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11 Nov 2013, 12:38 pm

I played it one time and it was a bad experience. I had a dealer who had no patience for me as a newbie.


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11 Nov 2013, 10:01 pm

I have played poker on PokerStar.com (play money) for a decade or more. I usually play Omaha Hi Lo on the 100K a game menu.


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11 Nov 2013, 10:04 pm

I win at poker more often with a new group than with familiar people. My "Poker Face" (a.k.a., "Blank Affect") is a local legend; but after a while, people get used to the fact that I rarely ever bluff.

But when I do bluff, I win big.


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11 Nov 2013, 10:18 pm

I can shut off emotional expression if I want to, mostly because when I express emotion it's either wildly uninhibited or something I have to remember to do. For me, deciding not to express emotions is like deciding not to talk, and about as easy.

But I really suck at deceiving people, so I'm not a really good poker player. The only thing I can do is just send no signals at all. I guess that could go up to "passable" if I learned to keep track of how likely the cards were to be in certain places. But I don't see the point. I'd have to spend so much time on something that wouldn't really be very rewarding.

I mean, what would be the point? I could win pennies off my friends, but if I wanted to make any money off it, I'd have to go play poker someplace noisy and bright and generally chaotic. No thanks. I'd much rather work at a supermarket than go to a casino, and that's pretty far down on my list of tolerable occupations. Plus, it wouldn't be guaranteed income; you could lose everything just on a run of bad luck, and if you made any more than a small amount they'd kick you out. Uh-uh, SO not for me. That'd just be torture.

I'll happily solve abstract statistical problems involving poker hands, but that's different. That, I can do sitting at home in my nice comfortable chair with my favorite calculator and my cat trying to chase the end of the pen.


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11 Nov 2013, 10:30 pm

I am alright at poker. I do not play the game much, though. I have had people tell me that I have a good poker face, probably because I do not make a lot of facial expressions :) .



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11 Nov 2013, 11:26 pm

I'm very good at poker.

I'm also great at reading people which is one reason I'm good at poker, the other having to do with an intuitive grasp of odds and numbers in general.
I understand that some peple believe the stereotype about aspies not being able to read people, but it's just not true at all, at least from this aspie's perspective.
I read people like books, to the extent that prolonged interaction can sometimes be a bit overwhelming, so I often don't look directly at people I'm talking to because I don't want to see too much.
It's also one of the reasons I find interactions with others so draining.
It's like they're shouting at me the whole time without even realizing it.
That's not to say that I have any clue as to what the things I read mean to me personally in a social context, I generally don't unless it's part of the social things I have learned over the years to recognize and understand which isn't a huge amount.
Moreover, it's not like it comes as a list, more as an overall feeling or impression of the person that contains all the things I've read.
If I think about it hard enough I can usually some of that stuff into words, but I don't do it often because it tends to give me a headache.