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13 Nov 2013, 11:11 am

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13 Nov 2013, 11:44 am

While Mr. Taylor's views on race are abhorrent, I welcome any news that announces or promises the abolition of that government-sponsored racist policy known as "Affirmative Action".


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13 Nov 2013, 12:28 pm

The problem here is that the word racism does not adequately describe the united states view on race.
A better term for american racism is White Supremacy.

Affirmative Action is not and has never been an anti-racist law it was designed to combat White Supremacy.

When seen in those terms it makes sense and it has not yet fulfilled its function.

This calling white-supremacy racism lead to all kinds of semantic muddles on the right and the left.


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13 Nov 2013, 1:27 pm

Caltech, recently ranked as the # 1 university in the world, and (in)famous for its complete rejection of Affirmative Action, has a 40 percent Asian undergraduate population. That is more than 8 times the percentage of Asian Americans in the general population (4.8 percent), and almost 3 times the Asian population percentage in California (13.6 percent). The White undergraduate percentage at Caltech is 31 percent.

In comparison, Harvard University (# 2 on the same list, and an Affirmative Action University) has a white undergraduate percentage of 46 percent, and an Asian-American percentage of 27 percent.

Looks like being against Affirmative-Action disproportionally benefits Asian Supremacy, not White Supremacy... at the top-of-the-top-of-the-top level, at least.

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http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/w ... ld-ranking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California ... y#Students
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Un ... y#Students
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... ral_makeup



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13 Nov 2013, 1:55 pm

Unintended consequences, it is not my fault White folks suck at stuff.

If the U.S. was built on on Asian Slavery would you expect to see different numbers?

Another unintended consequence is the number of African students at U.S. universities.


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13 Nov 2013, 2:10 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Unintended consequences, it is not my fault White folks suck at stuff.


A purely merit-based policy for university admission would benefit those who display greater academic achievement. Asian Americans consistently display greater academic achievement than White Americans.

And they perform better... How is this unintended?



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13 Nov 2013, 2:22 pm

GGPViper wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Unintended consequences, it is not my fault White folks suck at stuff.


A purely merit-based policy for university admission would benefit those who display greater academic achievement. Asian Americans consistently display greater academic achievement than White Americans.

And they perform better... How is this unintended?


The intent of Affirmative Action is to counter-act white supremacy so what is the intent of those that want to end it?


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13 Nov 2013, 2:31 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Unintended consequences, it is not my fault White folks suck at stuff.

A purely merit-based policy for university admission would benefit those who display greater academic achievement. Asian Americans consistently display greater academic achievement than White Americans.

And they perform better... How is this unintended?

The intent of Affirmative Action is to counter-act white supremacy so what is the intent of those that want to end it?

Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to The Constitution of the United States wrote:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.



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13 Nov 2013, 3:20 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Affirmative Action is not and has never been an anti-racist law it was designed to combat White Supremacy.

a. Affirmative Action gives preference in education and hiring to non-whites, regardless of merit.
b. Discriminating against people because of their race is racism.
: : Affirmative Action is racist.

Discriminating against all whites for the minority of white supremacists is like discriminating against all Mexicans because of a minority of capos de la drogas.


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13 Nov 2013, 4:05 pm

If they simply made things based on merit....

....THEY still wouldn't be able to get in.

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13 Nov 2013, 6:31 pm

Affirmative action is the denial of merit.

For the longest time Jewish student suffered from Affirmative Action undertaken by the top U.S. schools to limit Jewish enrollment. It is and was called the quota system. It went like this: if student were accepted purely on the basis of academic merit then 60 to 70 percent of the students at the top schools would be Jews. This is clearly unfair to Gentiles so the colleges and universities introduced affirmative action to aid the poor gentiles.

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13 Nov 2013, 6:37 pm

Uh, we enslaved these people for 250 years and we can't even give them preferential treatment in college admissions? Hell, we should be buying every one of them a brand new Escalade which they should be allowed to drive as fast as they want.



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13 Nov 2013, 6:42 pm

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Uh, we enslaved these people for 250 years and we can't even give them preferential treatment in college admissions? Hell, we should be buying every one of them a brand new Escalade which they should be allowed to drive as fast as they want.

I've only been alive a bit over 40 years and I've never enslaved anyone. I suspect you've never had slaves either. Please explain to me why we should be held accountable for something people did a long time before either of us were born.



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13 Nov 2013, 7:30 pm

sounds cool to me.
history does not matter and has never effected anyone.


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13 Nov 2013, 7:58 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
sounds cool to me.
history does not matter and has never effected anyone.


I guess you can ignore the posts above you, that's cool



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13 Nov 2013, 8:05 pm

AspE wrote:
Uh, we enslaved these people for 250 years and we can't even give them preferential treatment in college admissions? Hell, we should be buying every one of them a brand new Escalade which they should be allowed to drive as fast as they want.

Who is this "We" you're referring to? I've never been a slave-owner.

adb wrote:
I've only been alive a bit over 40 years and I've never enslaved anyone. I suspect you've never had slaves either. Please explain to me why we should be held accountable for something people did a long time before either of us were born.

I wonder if AspE was being sarcastic, since his post contained a glaring error of logic.


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