Tech Sexism and Spectrum Women
yamato_rena
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I've been getting into coding recently. It's a lot of fun, although I'm still an amateur at it. I probably need some more training before I ever do anything in the tech industry (for right now, I'm having fun trying to get involved in the political world while on the spectrum). But I've read a lot of stuff about pervasive sexism in the tech industry recently. A lot of the people talking about it are NT women, but I was wondering if women on the spectrum face a lot of it as well, or if it's mostly an NT women issue. It's interesting to me because people on the spectrum might be closer to each other in temperament than to NTs of their gender, and supposedly a lot of the men in the tech industry are close to or on the spectrum, so perhaps women on the spectrum might have an easier time dealing with tech sexism than NT women?
it really depends on the sector in which you work, while in the defense industry I did not have a great deal of problem. When I ended up moving and had to work for oil companies I found an entrenched "good ole' boys" club and it was awful. My pay ended up being lower than an equivalently skilled man, and I got less consideration in raises and I was not treated as well in meetings. There really was not much I could do as my partner did not want to move from the area as she wanted to remain hear her family so I put up with the treatment and lower pay.
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"There never was a good war, or a bad peace." - Benjamin Franklin
I also recently entered into programming and found that my interest was sparked immediately. I had been working with androids for awhile and had always liked technology from a very young age. I changed my major in college (I was in social work). The issue was I was very good at what I was doing, but I was bored out of my mind pretty much every class. I'm pretty sure that was my sign to switch and get out of there. As soon as I entered into program, I felt that spark that I feel when I use technology; it wasn't the same feeling at all as when I entered into the Human Services program... Anyway, I noticed one thing when I entered my first class for CS: it was mostly men, but there were three women including myself. The men would not speak to me, but they would to the other women. I was being on and off glanced at by at least three or four of the guys in the class. I don't really get it, to be honest.The guys I did talk to made it seem like I was an alien; they were confused and just kind of nodded their head and looked terrified when I asked them if they were experiencing an issue that I was, since they were getting frustrated and I wasn't (really stupid issue that most of the class was having, thanks to the tech department not adding our sign-in information). I posted in the Technology area of the forums asking a similar question, so you can go have a look if you'd like. I think you'd be better off experiencing it yourself than listening to other women complaining about it (those who do come online come on to complain about it. I assume most happy women wouldn't be coming online to post about how happy they are to be accepted. I think them being angry would make them more likely to post). I have yet to have any issues, but we will see. I think that the older the generation of people that you'd be programming with, the worse the sexism will be. The younger, I find, are more accepting of women being in these kinds of fields. I'm not saying that's true for everything, but it's just what I've noticed. I think regardless of being NT or not, women in these fields tend to have more in common with men. I don't see how or why it would matter. I am not sure about how some of us deal with sexism, but I would be angry if someone said something offensive to me. I'd end up lashing back at them in a playful way--that'd be the easiest way for me to deal with it. I'm not sure how NT women would deal with it, though.
Sorry for the long response, and here is my thread: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt245078.html
I am NOT playful with sexism, I deal with it quite head on, I do end up in trouble quite a bit especially online due to coming off so hard - many people actually take me for a TERF (if you are unfamiliar with the term, Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist ) which I can't really be since I have even dated a trans womon. The thing is I have been fighting against sexism so long I get fairly angry fast, even today I exited a page on facebook a friend had asked me to participate in just because I was sick of what was going on there. Sometimes I fight, other times I just block and walk.
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?The first duty of a human being is to assume the right functional relationship to society--more briefly, to find your real job, and do it.? - Charlotte Perkins Gilman
"There never was a good war, or a bad peace." - Benjamin Franklin
I'd be afraid of how much I'd explode if I didn't deal with it the way I do. I can imagine it gets frustrating to deal with for you. I guess it depends on the person: if it's someone I know, I usually respond playfully. If it's someone I don't really know or just some random dude, I'd get angry, but probably not say anything.
I'd be afraid of how much I'd explode if I didn't deal with it the way I do. I can imagine it gets frustrating to deal with for you. I guess it depends on the person: if it's someone I know, I usually respond playfully. If it's someone I don't really know or just some random dude, I'd get angry, but probably not say anything.
Wow I hate sexism. Unfortunately it still happens a lot... I always fight, even if I have nothing to do with it. Just get so angry.
yamato_rena
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Sorry for the long response, and here is my thread: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt245078.html
Thanks a ton! My experience is a little different if only because I have basically been teaching myself. I got interested using Codecademy after I'd already graduated from undergrad, so I don't have that much experience in a really hard-core tech environment. The closest I get is the web department at the NGOs I've worked at, but even those tend to be political junkies who happen to know at least a little CS. I wind up kind of lost when it comes to sexism admittedly. I've never been particularly at home with NT men or women (I sometimes like to joke with myself that it's just that I'm a third gender - geek) and tend to be personally conservative (even though I hold liberal political views), so I probably laugh at stereotypical descriptions of both genders a little too readily. I'm ashamed to admit that I could see myself playing along with sexist behavior as long as I wasn't personally painted like that.
Of all the women I've work with in the "Tech Industry", each one has demonstrated impressive skills in programming and troubleshooting.
Unfortunately, the men they worked with could not adjust to an harassment-free environment. They would go on for hours with their fart jokes and toilet humor, only to appear completely baffled (and even offended) when I had to pull them aside to correct their behavior. Their resentment would grow and their hostility would be expressed in subtle ways -- they would "forget" to inform their female counterparts of some vital information or misinform those same women regarding deadlines and project duties, for example.
Eventually, the women would find employment elsewhere, and I'd lose a valuable asset -- someone who could work as intently and as accurately I do, and someone who was a friend.
Unfortunately, the men they worked with could not adjust to an harassment-free environment. They would go on for hours with their fart jokes and toilet humor, only to appear completely baffled (and even offended) when I had to pull them aside to correct their behavior. Their resentment would grow and their hostility would be expressed in subtle ways -- they would "forget" to inform their female counterparts of some vital information or misinform those same women regarding deadlines and project duties, for example.
Eventually, the women would find employment elsewhere, and I'd lose a valuable asset -- someone who could work as intently and as accurately I do, and someone who was a friend.
Thank you, I try to explain this to people from my end & I get laughed at and ridiculed, I get this sort of behavior every place I go, not just professionally but in online discussion forums and social media. Pretty much makes me want to leave society entirely.
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?The first duty of a human being is to assume the right functional relationship to society--more briefly, to find your real job, and do it.? - Charlotte Perkins Gilman
"There never was a good war, or a bad peace." - Benjamin Franklin
That's exactly how I go about it. They figure out that I'm probably more warped than they are, lol.
That's exactly how I go about it. They figure out that I'm probably more warped than they are, lol.
I refused to descend to their level, instead I asked them to at least remain polite in my presence - and when they would refuse I reported them to human resources as sexual harassment, this did not make me any friends
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?The first duty of a human being is to assume the right functional relationship to society--more briefly, to find your real job, and do it.? - Charlotte Perkins Gilman
"There never was a good war, or a bad peace." - Benjamin Franklin
That's exactly how I go about it. They figure out that I'm probably more warped than they are, lol.
I refused to descend to their level, instead I asked them to at least remain polite in my presence - and when they would refuse I reported them to human resources as sexual harassment, this did not make me any friends
Everyone has their own way of dealing with things. *Shrug*
Fnord:
When I worked in the Army in a mechanic shop I had to listen to endless toilet humor and whatnot, which I tended to get bored of but tolerated. What was much worse was many of the males (I was the only female in my platoon) leaving me out of important work related things and forgetting to or intentionally neglecting to inform me of important information just as Fnord mentioned above. Also, for some reason I always had to be on my best behavior and do above average work whereas the others could be more relaxed and be normal, even sometimes sloppy.
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